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[Xmca-l] Re: Solids and Liquids/Entities and dynamic flows
down.cenet.org.cn/upfile/19/20064111162198.pdf but it downloads the whole 390 + pagebook
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Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:22 AM
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Solids and Liquids/Entities and dynamic flows
My apologies for not appending the reference. For some reason part of my message disappeared, the ref included. Odd wanderings of fingers not under proper control. I only have this book in hard copy. If anyone has it in a pdf, please send to the group.
If nothing turns up in the next day or so I will scan the chapter and post it. I do not love all that it has to say, but it seems worthwhile for those interested in the issues.
Adams, G., & Markus, H.R., (2003). Toward a conception of culture suitable for a social psychology of culture. In, M. Schaller, M., & C.S. Crandall (Eds.). *The Psychological Foundations of Culture. Erlbaum. Mahwah, NJ. pp.
On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Rod Parker-Rees < R.Parker-Rees@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:
> Many thanks for this, Mike.
> I too would love to read this article. I am particularly interested in
> the way many cultures (some more than others) tend to nail down flows
> and processes by turning verbs into nouns. While there is a
> developmental model which emphasises flow and change there are others
> which aim to halt or dam the flow by identifying stages (like locks
> along a river?) which can be thought about more as things. And there
> are versions of social psychology which focus more on relationships, interactions and intersubjectivity.
> I think there is something about the necessary abstractness of
> concepts (which have to be sufficiently pulled out from specific
> contexts to allow them to be shared) that draws them towards
> reification, turning a flow into a thing (the river, the flow!). But
> in our lived experience the past runs into the present and the future
> also shapes the flow. I think the idea of perezhivanie catches this
> idea of a reciprocity between our past social experiences and the way we make sense of what flows our way.
> Sorry if this seems vague and fluid!
> All the best,
> On 6 Aug 2016 1:23 am, mike cole <email@example.com> wrote:
> I stumbled over an article on the "the psychological foundations of
> culture" with a summary/discussion article by Adams and Markus. (ref
> below). The authors contrast two prominent definitions/theories of
> culture prominent in the literature on the relationship between
> culture and human psychological processes. The characterization struck
> me forcefully as an example of Bauman's solid-liquid distinction in a
> different discourse stream, providing food for thought on the topic of
> mind, culture, and activity.
> One approach is closely related to developmental approaches such as my
> own, Barbara Rogoff, Patricia Greenfield, Mike Tomasello). It traces
> its origins to ploughshares and agriculture, the process of making
> things grow, nurturing. a process transpiring over time. The other
> (Social Psychology) adopts "the customary beliefs, social forms, of a
> racial, religious, or social group."
> The first, developmental approach is said to view "culture as dynamic
> process or flowing medium" while the second, social psychology view is
> described as an "entity conception of culture." The entity conception
> "implies a conception of culture as a relatively 'fixed' system of
> "customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits." It also
> associates this system with readily identifiable 'racial, religious, or social group."
> The authors then list "several undesireable consequences" of adopting
> the entity point of view. I found these very interesting. I will just
> list them. If there is sufficient interest I can get a scan of the chapter made.
> There is, unfortunately, no similar list for the liquid,
> developmental, perspective. Liquids, Bauman remind us can spill and
> spoil the rug and need to be contained. They flow, to be sure, but
> that flow is constrained by a cup.
> The authors adopt a view they call "culture as patterns."
> The juxtaposition of these readings and the ongoing discussion of the
> 11 ox paintings has induced me to think again about long standing
> ideas. Always enlightening. Thanks.
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
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