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[Xmca-l] Re: Identity through "experiential texts": Poems and Works of Art??

Wow, amazing resources!

Henry, I wasn’t familiar with the oxcart metaphor of Buddhism that Larry referenced, so thanks for the parable, and also the NY Times piece.

Daniel, is your suggestion of the “(Roman Catholic) Mass in B Minor, BWV 232, of that ardent Lutheran Johann Sebastian Bach” based in some way on Bach’s submersion of his own identity in this composition? If so, in your view does this quality of submersion form part of the text of the music—is the sense of submersion that religion fosters enhanced in this music owing to Bach’s religious identity as a Lutheran? (Online or off-line, is good)

Mike and Kris, thanks for the Being There suggestion.

Rob, I checked out the “Olympia” paintings, and find your contrast of the viewer-as-voyeur versus the viewer-as-viewer-of-the-voyeur fascinating. The tie in with modernity will need some untangling.


From: HENRY SHONERD [mailto:hshonerd@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 12:36 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Cc: David H Kirshner
Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: Identity through "experiential texts": Poems and Worksof Art??

I have enjoyed this subject line very much, googling a lot of connections. Larry’s oxcart took me to:


Something else I read from the NYTImes seems connected to me, since it speaks to why anyone might want to be a teacher:



On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com<mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> wrote:

The Buddhist depiction of the oxcart in multiple images with each image *dissolving* something (reified??) and the last caption being identical to the *original* demonstrating this process of dissolution to arrive at the *same* place but transformed. The ordinary become extraordinary.
Rein may suggest a particular illustration. It is thought provoking

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From: David H Kirshner