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[Xmca-l] Re: The Semiotic Stance.pdf

Helena this phantom that is emerging at the origin  of the learning process (can we describe this process as potential?) this phantom may move into being a concrete *thing* but then it may return to being a phantom?.

In the IRECE Journal one of the articles (Qualitative Epistemology) references Gonzales Rey who was inspired by Vygotsky and Rubinstein. Here is his description of what may occur after objective objects/elements which come into being at a later turn in the spiral than you are referencing, then  *disappear*.  The objects which have defined a new order   actually disappear, but  in the imaginary *remain*, continuing to subsidize the subjective *sense* of that disappearing order.
Can we call this subjective imaginary a *phantom* that continues to *legitimize* this imaginary sense of objective elements when there is actually no remaining  objective elements (which have disappeared). 
In Rey’s own words; “The objective elements that produce the revolutionary spirit can be killed by the processes of institutionalization and bureaucratization, but people still (feel) part of the revolution – for a few generations. 
Note, this phenomena is inter/generational in duration.

This seems to be an image of psyche emerging from phantom appearances, becoming existent and then becoming symbolized but at some moment the revolutionary spirit *disappears* and what remains are imaginary phantoms.

Adding my own reflections are these revolutionary spirits that have disappeared,  are they *dormant* or *dead*. Can their spirit be *reawakened* or is that a phantom?

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From: Helena Worthen