[Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage

[Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>]

Sorry, I meant in terms of analogous "technology".

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Andy Blunden
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On 15/06/2016 9:52 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:
> I think our *memory* would change. And I don't know how 
> far back our way of conceiving of human powers in terms of 
> analogous human powers goes, but I guess it would change 
> our *conception* of memory.
>
> Andy
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> Andy Blunden
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> On 15/06/2016 9:48 PM, Glassman, Michael wrote:
> > Thanks Andy,
> >
> > Interesting, maybe that's why I merged the Arseniev 
> > anecdote and the use of strings to aid memory.   I wonder 
> > if when we developed semiotic mediators conception of 
> > memory changed (of course nobody thought of it as memory 
> > at the time), and if now with new types of storage of and 
> > access to semiotic mediators if our conception of memory 
> > is changing again.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu 
> > [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of 
> > Andy Blunden
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:37 PM
> > To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage
> >
> > This also has material about sending messages:
> >
> > https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1930/man/ch04.htm 
> >
> > (especially the last few paragraphs)
> >
> > Andy
> >
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> >
> > On 15/06/2016 6:49 AM, Glassman, Michael wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Yes, I think that's it.  I must have been merging this 
> > > description with the strings used for memory described 
> > > by Leontiev Bella pointed to.
> > >
> > > Thanks so much, this solves one mystery in my life.  I 
> > > wish they could all be answered so quickly.
> > >
> > > Thanks so much,
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of 
> > > David Kellogg
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:36 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity 
> > > <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage
> > >
> > > Michael:
> > >
> > > I think you are actually thinking of an incident that 
> > > Vygotsky describes from the work of V.K. Arsen'ev. It's 
> > > on p. 50 of Vol. Four of the Collected Works, and you 
> > > can read it here:
> > >
> > > https://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1931/research-method.h 
> > >
> > > tm
> > >
> > > See paragraph 118. There's also a footnote about it in 
> > > "Concrete Psychology" (see number 14).
> > >
> > > By some accounts, Vygosky was in correspondence with 
> > > Arsen'ev, who wrote "Dersu the Trapper". Akira Kurasawa 
> > > made this book into a wonderful movie, which you can see 
> > > here.
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QYxy2HkpJ0&list=PL0dYx2N3BTuRcLGyHXBs 
> > >
> > > zwNgSy-0GoAfM
> > >
> > > David Kellogg
> > > Macquarie University
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:32 AM, Glassman, Michael
> > > <glassman.13@osu.edu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Bella.  The passage I remember, or think I 
> > > > remember, was
> > > > definitely along the same lines.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > > > xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Bella 
> > > > Kotik-Friedgut
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:46 PM
> > > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity 
> > > > <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Vygotskian Passage
> > > >
> > > > The picture attached is from the book of Leontiev A.N. The
> > > > development Mind of a chapter on the historical 
> > > > development of higher forms of memory.
> > > > p.301
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Glassman, Michael
> > > > <glassman.13@osu.edu>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I wonder if somebody might be able to help me.  I seem 
> > > > > to remember a
> > > > > passage from Vygotsky where he describes a person 
> > > > > going between
> > > > > villages, I think to deliver messages.  He uses some 
> > > > > type of
> > > > > external symbol system, maybe tying strings around his 
> > > > > finger.  Does
> > > > > anybody know if that really exists and if so where.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance to anybody who might be able to help.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael