[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Verizon's greed



Hi Greg,

Do you mean Brian McCoullogh's history of the Internet?  That's a little Silicon Valleyish for what I'm exploring.  I'm looking more at the Menlo Park era.  If you have any other resources I would love to have them (I feel like I'm running out of sources).  Perhaps we should take it off-list though not to bother anybody.

Michael
Glassman.13@osu.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Greg Mcverry
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:04 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Verizon's greed

Too late to write what deserves a long response to both your posts but if you are getting into the history of the web I highly recommend The History of the Internet podcast. Its very good.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016, 10:21 PM Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
wrote:

> Larry, Greg, Mike and others,
>
> I don't know the word Ikagai, and I try to be careful with words from 
> other cultures.  I'm having enough trouble with the words in my own 
> culture.  For instance I recently ran across Jenkins idea of 
> participatory culture through some of the work I have been doing on 
> gaming with a student
> - but I am at a loss because participatory does so much work for 
> Participatory Action Research.  The former talks about active 
> participation as opposed to passive consumerism (am I getting this 
> right Greg) while the latter takes a much more 
> political/economic/cultural perspective of allowing members of a group 
> to participate in the trajectory of their social group as true 
> members.  Then there is the other participatory action research and 
> Levy-Bruhl's participation.  For me it boggles the mind.  How do we keep our ideas straight.
>
> As far as I know there is no word in the English language that seems 
> to capture my minimal understanding of Ikagai, but it is important to 
> then assume it is not there.  I tend to think that reason for being is 
> not so well captured in English because it is a process, in many ways a search.
> Reaching back to an older thread maybe re-search is a continuation of 
> our process to understand why we exist (perhaps that sounds a little 
> overblown).  I also think it is dangerous to make a distinction 
> between East and West.  Well of course there are differences between 
> cultures, but I don't think they break down so easily and they are deeply tie to the
> particular time and social context.   At least in the United States, it is
> important not to confuse our economic paradigm with our culture (I 
> always fall in to this).  It is true that there has been a focus on 
> the individual, opposing her/him to the collective, but there have 
> been times in the United States even that have been the complete 
> opposite.  Where there was no light between the individual and the 
> collective.  I have recently been doing a lot of reading on the 
> beginnings of the Internet, because sometimes I get obsessed by a 
> topic.  I am astounded by the ways in which individual and collective 
> melded together almost seamlessly for a period of years.  We don't 
> have to discover networked learning, we have to remember it.  I don't 
> know other cultures well enough but I'm not sure this could have 
> happened in many other places.  Perhaps they were working from a sense 
> of Ikagai, a reason for being, I don't know.  It seems like nobody ever really stopped to think about.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of lpscholar2@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 9:27 PM
> To: mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity < 
> xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Verizon's greed
>
> Greg, Mike,
> If it is true that the concept  Ikagi is currently being culturally 
> appropriated then why now? is one of the *reasons* because of this 
> fundamental question that Mimi Ito asks:
> Why must developing individuality assume [pre-suppose] the need for 
> opposing the individual to collective cultural  forms [configurations].
> This is a peculiar Western notion.
>
> This question resonates with  questions of reason [reflection]  as
> *external* or *internal* as illustrated with these two differing 
> *pro*-positions. [presuppositions]
> 1) The actual world is *independent* of our descriptions or knowledge 
> of the world, our values, preferences, and emotional responses to the 
> world, and our attempts to understand or explain the world. This is an 
> *external* sense of relation [of self and world].
> 2) All knowledge is a set of conventions governed by a central paradigm.
> Knowledge is derived and *informed* by that paradigm and does not 
> refer to anything other than the paradigm it is *informed* by. This is 
> an internal sense of relation from *within*.
> I hear Mimi Ito’s sense which she describes as a Japanese cultural 
> sense leaning towards *internal* relations which does not posit the 
> collective as external to the self.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: mike cole
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:18 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Verizon's greed
>
> That *is* a neat Venn diagram, Greg. And I just learned of the word 
> today for reasons that grow out of an MCA project involving a hard to 
> define non-English words. The link to Mimi Ito, connected learning 
> zeitgeists, and passionate affinity groups is a welcome addition to my education.
>
> mike
>
> PS- Neat looking web page too!!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > As we were discussing ikagi in this thread it reminded me that it 
> > seems to be popping up more and more  in my circles.
> >
> > Here was a post I did a few months back after a group of us read 
> > Jenkins, Ito, and boyd's latest book.:
> > http://jgregorymcverry.com/in-search-of-ikigai-meaning-making-as-cul
> > tu
> > re/
> >
> > It has no academic value or insight just a personal reflection.
> >
> > The concept of "ikagi" seems to be gaining cultural relevance in the 
> > tech scene or emerging theoretical perspectives "connected 
> > learning-- a pragmatic amalgamation of learning theories with deep roots to XMCA.
> >
> > Not sure if the rising popularity of Ikagi is window dressing for 
> > the newly minted millionaire's, "millennial attitudes," or effects 
> > of our networked society.
> >
> >  Given that I hate generational distinctions and avoid guessing 
> > anyone's motives I am going witha  theory that the  semiotic power 
> > of a well balanced Venn Diagram and the meaning packed within 
> > creates an inspirational aspiration.
> >
> > One that "hipster" crowd has appropriated. In fact if anyone has had 
> > the chance to see the American satire show "Silicon Valley" I would 
> > be willing to bet on an "Ikagi" joke.....which also speaks to a much 
> > larger level of cultural appropriation.
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 7:34 AM Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Val opened this line of the intertwining  thread with her passion 
> > > for requisite variety as the quality of permeable membranes and 
> > > interface as necessary for general systems theory unfolding as 
> > > human
> projects.
> > > This occurs at all levels (cell, self, families, teams, 
> > > communities, nations).
> > > Two nations that Val offers as exemplary are Japan and Germany.
> > > Implicit is the realization that these two nations *tend* towards 
> > > equilibrium having *requisite variety* This post lead to Andy 
> > > exploring the notion of having a *reason* for getting up in the 
> > > morning. Helen then contributed and elaborated on this quality of 
> > > life.
> > >
> > > Then Wagner, taking his turn,pointed to a deep contrast with how 
> > > he saw the *reality* of  Japanese culture and it’s focus on the 
> > > ideal of not being a nail that sticks out as *actually* being more 
> > > like a
> > > *linear* dynamic system that is generally closed and nonpermeable.
> > > This type of system  which displays qualities which *express*  
> > > what seems to have the quality of  mechanical systems having the 
> > > opposite system characteristic  of cells which  have *organic
> permeable boundaries* .
> > >
> > > My question is how Japan can be conceptualized as both exemplary 
> > > (living experience as if organically permeable) following the 
> > > theory of general biological systems theory) and also be perceived 
> > > as a dead and lifeless place which images a general mechanical 
> > > systems theory with external
> > moving
> > > *parts* only mechanically related and therefore forming a sense of
> > lifeless
> > > *repetition*.
> > > It seems that within japanese culture we can be participating in 
> > > both organic général systems (permeable membrane image) and at the 
> > > same time participating in mechanical general systems (closed 
> > > impermeable dead
> > > membranes)
> > > Both  forms of recognition in Nancy Frasers understanding of 
> > > culture but it seems to hinge on the difference between mechanical 
> > > and organic metaphors of system boundaries. Are system boundaries 
> > > closed
> > > *walls*
> > > (Trump) or permeable *membranes*.
> > > Dead/mechanical or living/breathing systems.
> > > Is this the difference between *linear* and *nonlinear* notions of
> > systems?
> > >
> > > My turn is to reflect on the relation between *eco* system as a 
> > > concept and the aboriginal image of *mother earth* as a similar
> concept.
> > > These symbols both sharing notions of open  membranes but they do 
> > > have a diiferent feel and sense of being organic life.
> > >
> > > Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> > >
> > > From: Wilkinson
> > > Sent: April 24, 2016 9:04 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: Verizon's greed
> > >
> > > Note (a continuation):
> > > I was in such a hurry that I couldn't remember "the project as 
> > > unit of analysis." (thanks Andy)  We do progress!  It's not just 
> > > survival of the fittest, but also mutual aid is a factor.  And 
> > > like we used to say in Medieval Lit, "when Adam dug and Eve spun, 
> > > who was then a "gentleman"?
> > > V
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2016/04/25 12:13, Wilkinson wrote:
> > > > Life in the present mode of existence, being.
> > > > Hello, dear Xmca-er colleagues.
> > > >
> > > > I'm checking in as a woman scholar voice doing research in 
> > > > General Systems Theory.  Once I was just at the beginning and 
> > > > now nearly the
> > end
> > > > of my institutional career.  In Japan.  A National University.
> > > > I live in an educational world where the children have been 
> > > > taught that the nail that sticks out gets beaten down.
> > > >
> > > > As a systems theorist, at the level of self, group, community - 
> > > > living systems naturally seek equilibrium.  So why would I vote 
> > > > or not vote
> > for
> > > > Sanders?  Why would I vote or not vote for Hilary?
> > > >
> > > > 40 years of teaching languages, Latin, Greek, English, has been 
> > > > to make my living.  What I love and want to talk about is how to 
> > > > create a great team, produce a film, coordinate a satisfactory 
> > > > project, with the young ones who are enacting the managerial 
> > > > roles having the full support of the community of adults, both 
> > > > in and out of the academy.  Moreover, peer-learning, which 
> > > > appears essential, and has so appeared to me since I was seven, "teaching"
> > > > my one year younger brother how to read my
> > first
> > > > English primer.
> > > >
> > > > Time and again Andy, Larry, and Mike have responded lucidly and 
> > > > kindly to my flashing dives into the stream.  I feel that Andy's 
> > > > "project" as mode/method/focus for the self, the team, and the 
> > > > community is
> > coherent,
> > > > articulate, manageable.  So if I fear and dread recursions of 
> > > > 30s horrors, world depression, anti-union, the ghastly shape of 
> > > > Nazism appearing, the shape of Joseph McCarthy's witch-hunts, 
> > > > it's not going
> > to
> > > > help much with my projects of today, this week, etc.
> > > >
> > > > But coming back again and again to the present, the projects I 
> > > > am doing now, this week, this month, working out how to stay in 
> > > > contact with the players, get announcements out to the 
> > > > community, well, that is quite enough for me to do.  Since the 
> > > > kids are grown up and don't need me so much, I have to encourage 
> > > > young students to join clubs, have meetings, plan events.  Just 
> > > > have to stay busy
> ...
> > > >
> > > > But always coming back to General Systems Theory, and moving 
> > > > with the present, as a woman/mother/lover/teacher/faculty
> > > > member/participant-observer, I value the exquisite mind of Ross 
> > > > Ashby and "requisite variety," which is what a viable system 
> > > > needs to
> > survive,
> > > > an environment which draws out the creative, which satisfies the
> > hunger.
> > > >   Permeable membranes and interface is how I see the interaction 
> > > > of nations and communities and teams and people and families and 
> > > > the cells in the body maintaining health.
> > > >
> > > > It is hard for me to check in or dive in with a word, but XMCA
> > continues
> > > > to be the best forum for my serendipities and synchronicities 
> > > > and reading of the news.  I'm still a GST person and keep my eye 
> > > > on Ervin Laszlow and the Budapest Club for international 
> > > > cooperative ventures in sustainable business, a benign 
> > > > transition to an age of
> > ultra-technology,
> > > > in which human communities can create harmonious dwellings, 
> > > > environmentally friendly renewable energy and so on.  I live in 
> > > > Japan and my brother's family members live in Germany.  Living 
> > > > in the present does not mean just today.  I see that it means 
> > > > progressing toward
> > better
> > > > education, better health, better food supply.  I still want to 
> > > > pay attention to Japan and Germany - and where ever people have 
> > > > learned
> > that
> > > > wholesome, calm work places, educational opportunities and 
> > > > intrinsic development, taking it easy and taking it slow, are 
> > > > altogether so much better than war, war, bombs, and 
> > > > military/industrial complex money
> > blah,
> > > > messing up the academy, truncating creativity, killing joyful 
> > > > work places. (But now I see that I am standing on a box in a 
> > > > park instead of getting on with my projects for today).
> > > > Vandy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2016/04/25 9:29, mike cole wrote:
> > > >> This is how Sanders represents himself in a way that appeals to 
> > > >> a good many Americans. They do not know what to call it and 
> > > >> neither does he. I offer it as evidence about
> > > an
> > > >> unusual phenomenon in American political life that feels to 
> > > >> this dated person a LOT like what I understand of the 1930's in 
> > > >> this country. I
> > > come
> > > >> from a line of premature anti-fascists and anti-racists 
> > > >> (terrible
> > > >> sexists)
> > > >> who were firm believers in the first ammendment to the 
> > > >> constitution of the US. What I see in this election is very 
> > > >> disturbingly like what those years around my birth were all 
> > > >> about.
> > > >>
> > > >> The result in that case was a massive world war and the 
> > > >> beginning of
> > the
> > > >> atomic age.
> > > >>
> > > >> The result in this case?
> > > >>
> > > >> Who was  it you were asking me to vote for?
> > > >>
> > > >> mike
> > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > >> From: BernieSanders.com <info@berniesanders.com>
> > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 4:14 PM
> > > >> Subject: Verizon's greed
> > > >> To: Michael Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> [image: Bernie Sanders for President]
> > > >>
> > > >> When the CEO of a company makes almost $20 million a year but 
> > > >> then tries to outsource jobs, reduce wages, and cut health 
> > > >> benefits -- that's the kind of corporate greed we need to get 
> > > >> rid of in America. *And that's exactly what Verizon is doing 
> > > >> right
> > > >> now.*
> > > >>
> > > >> Verizon's employees are fighting back. They're out on strike 
> > > >> for a contract. *Stand with them against their CEO and add your 
> > > >> name to Bernie's to say you support Verizon employees.
> > > >> <
> > >
> > https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/stand-with-verizon-employees?sou
> > rc
> > e=em160423-full
> > > >*
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Bernie's email to you about this very important issue about 
> > > >> this is below.
> > > >> Thank you for standing in solidarity.
> > > >> ------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> Sisters and Brothers,
> > > >>
> > > >> The CEO of Verizon makes almost $20 million a year in 
> > > >> compensation. He leads one of the most profitable companies in 
> > > >> the
> country.
> > > >>
> > > >> *Yet Verizon wants to take away employees' health benefits.
> > > >> Verizon
> > > wants
> > > >> to outsource decent-paying jobs. Verizon wants to avoid paying 
> > > >> federal income tax. And right now, Verizon is refusing to sit 
> > > >> down and negotiate a fair contract with its employees.*
> > > >>
> > > >> In other words, Verizon is just another major American 
> > > >> corporation
> > > trying
> > > >> to destroy the lives of working Americans. *But this time, 
> > > >> Verizon's employees are fighting back.*
> > > >>
> > > >> Thousands of very brave employees of Verizon and Verizon 
> > > >> Wireless are
> > on
> > > >> strike until they can get a fair contract. They made a *very*
> > difficult
> > > >> decision that puts their families at risk -- but it's a choice 
> > > >> they made to stand up for justice against corporate greed.
> > > >>
> > > >> *I'm asking you today to stand up and tell the CEO of Verizon 
> > > >> that you think Verizon employees deserve a fair contract that 
> > > >> protects health benefits, guarantees fair pay, and stops 
> > > >> outsourcing. Click here to
> > add
> > > >> your name in support of Verizon employees.
> > > >> <
> > >
> > https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/stand-with-verizon-employees?sou
> > rc
> > e=em160423-full
> > > >*
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> *Add Your Name »
> > > >> <
> > >
> > https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/stand-with-verizon-employees?sou
> > rc
> > e=em160423-full
> > > >*
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Twice last week in New York City I stood with Verizon workers 
> > > >> in the streets. I did so because they're doing something very brave:
> > > >> they're standing up not just for themselves, but for the 
> > > >> millions of Americans who don't have a union.
> > > >>
> > > >> The working class of this country deserves to earn decent 
> > > >> wages,
> > decent
> > > >> benefits, and not see their jobs go to low-wage countries.
> > > >>
> > > >> Verizon's CEO doesn't think that. He called me "contemptible" 
> > > >> for
> > saying
> > > >> that his employees need a fair contract, and that Verizon 
> > > >> should pay
> > its
> > > >> fair share in federal income taxes.
> > > >>
> > > >> What I think is contemptible is CEOs with multi-million dollar 
> > > >> compensation packages, presiding over extremely profitable 
> > > >> companies, and still refusing to give their employees fair 
> > > >> contracts.
> > > >>
> > > >> Corporate greed is a scourge on this country, and it will take 
> > > >> all of
> > us
> > > >> standing up for justice in order to rein it in. *One 
> > > >> significant way
> > you
> > > >> can stand up to corporate greed is by standing with Verizon 
> > > >> employees
> > > who
> > > >> are out on strike.*
> > > >>
> > > >> *Add your name and say you support Verizon employees who are 
> > > >> standing up to the CEO in order to get a fair contract with 
> > > >> health benefits, fair pay, and job protections.
> > > >> <
> > >
> > https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/stand-with-verizon-employees?sou
> > rc
> > e=em160423-full
> > > >*
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Corporate America is slowly beginning to realize that they 
> > > >> cannot have
> > > it
> > > >> all. Thanks for helping them know it.
> > > >>
> > > >> In solidarity,
> > > >>
> > > >> Bernie Sanders
> > > >>
> > > >> *Contribute
> > > >> <
> > >
> > https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/lets_go_bernie?refcode=em
> > 16
> > 0423-verizon
> > > >*
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Paid for by Bernie 2016
> > > >>
> > > >> [image: (not the billionaires)]
> > > >>
> > > >> PO Box 905 - Burlington VT 05402 United States - (855) 4-BERNIE
> > > >>
> > > >> This email was sent to lchcmike@gmail.com. If you need to 
> > > >> update or change your information or email address, click here 
> > > >> to update your info <
> > >
> > https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/change-your-information?source=e
> > ma
> > il_footer
> > > >.
> > > >>
> > > >> Email is one of the most important tools we have to reach 
> > > >> supporters
> > > like
> > > >> you, but you can let us know if you'd like to receive fewer 
> > > >> emails <
> > >
> > https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/fewer-emails?source=email_footer
> > &e
> > mail=lchcmike@gmail.com&zip=92075
> > > >.
> > > >>
> > > >> We'd hate to see you go, but if you need to do so, click here 
> > > >> to unsubscribe <https://go.berniesanders.com/page/unsubscribe/>.
> > > >> Stand against the powerful special interests who are 
> > > >> systematically buying our Congress
> > > and
> > > >> have their sights set on the presidency by contributing to 
> > > >> Bernie here <
> > >
> > https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/lets-go-bernie?refcode=em
> > ai
> > l_footer
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> .
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an 
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
>
>
>