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[Xmca-l] Re: Blackface and Gayface
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"Food, identity, and culture. Always intertwined never monolithic."
Very true. Over here, until curry and lager came along, the traditional
English meal was fish and chips and a cup of tea. Tea brought here from
India. Chips - which you call fries, only ours are much bigger - brought
here from the Americas. The practice of battering and frying fish
brought here by Jewish refugees from other parts of Europe. And
On 25/04/2016 21:09, Greg Mcverry wrote:
> I am in no way a culinary historian or researcher of Southern Black
> >From what I have read the greens were some of the few items slaves and then
> tenant farmers could grow and keep. The meat bits were usually scrap or
> innards again being all that was given or afforded.
> The recipes origins are of West African descent.
> The spread of collard greens is aligned with “Soul Food" growth as the
> African Diaspora moved into cities and out of the South following the Civil
> War, industrialization, and then civil rights movement.
> In fact in Beyonce's "Formation" which caused a stir at the Super Bowl for
> its perceived Black Power message celebrates Southern Black culture with
> lyrical reference to "hot sauce in the purse."
> Food, identity, and culture. Always intertwined never monolithic.
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016, 3:58 PM R.J.S.Parsons <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> Thanks for that. I can see the historical power of the explanation. I am
>> a bit surprised that some of these were not introduced by other people
>> as well - perhaps there is a more complex process by which they come to
>> be associated exclusively with black slave identity.
>> And how did slaves get to itroduce them? They cant have brought them
>> with them all the way form Africa. And they would not be conducting
>> their own commerce. Interesting.
>> On 25/04/2016 16:35, Greg Mcverry wrote:
>>> Collard Greens were first introduced in the US by African Slaves. It is a
>>> regional dish (though not appealing to Vegans) served in both Southern
>>> cuisine and Soul Food.
>>> Collard Greens though have taken on a strong metaphorical role in
>>> Black identity.
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:12 AM R.J.S.Parsons <email@example.com
>>>> It is wonderful what you learn on xmca. I had never heard of collard
>>>> greens before. A quick visit to Wikipedia has enlightened me: things I
>>>> eat most days. But the category has no meaning in my life, or in that of
>>>> any other UK resident I am aware of. We eat some, we don't eat others.
>>>> Can someone enlighten me as to how and in what way collard greens has
>>>> become a marker of identity in the USA?
>>>> On 25/04/2016 15:37, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe wrote:
>>>>> Now we have to get into the definition of what is black identity? I am
>>>> native haitian who grew up in the provinces where my grandparents
>>>> vodou and raised me to think as an african. My world was constituted
>>>> the universe and vodou. I simply do not believe in defining myself by
>>>> skin-color. By white man, yes I do privilege white experiences of the
>>>> earth and the ideologies and apparatuses they have constituted as a
>>>> of the experience; blackness in the west was defined in relation to that
>>>> experience. So in order for me to be black in america and join the black
>>>> community what should I do:
>>>>> Join a so-called black church (they discriminate against my vodou
>>>> religion as in vodou we discriminate against them for they practice the
>>>> white man's faith)Eat collard greens, chicken, and macaroni and
>>>> AAEVwear skinny jeansListen to rap music and rb
>>>>> OR is Barack Obama a paragon for e. Franklin frazier's the black
>>>>> I am haitian and My wife is black american and we have two sons... I do
>>>> not let my sons do the black church thing. My wife attends her
>>>> church every sunday. But my sons are not allowed to attend; No AAEV in
>>>> the house; we are vegans so we do not do many of the foods...
>>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Jacob McWilliams <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>>>> Date: 4/25/2016 9:46 AM (GMT-05:00)
>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <email@example.com>
>>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Blackface and Gayface
>>>>> I do not, and never will, agree with the arguments that reject Obama's
>>>>> black identity. I find those arguments deeply problematic at minimum,
>>>>> usually much worse than problematic. However, I do wish that those who
>>>>> argue that Obama is not black would not describe him as a white man. By
>>>>> terms of this argument, whiteness is no more a "real" category than is
>>>>> blackness, and referring to Obama as a "white man," even if done to
>>>>> people, serves to feed into the very real, and not at all fictitious,
>>>>> hegemony of whiteness in America and around the world.