[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
[Xmca-l] Re: Hegel's imagination - Piaget did read Hegel
- To: <email@example.com>, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Rauno Huttunen <email@example.com>
- Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel's imagination - Piaget did read Hegel
- From: Lplarry <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 07:22:19 -0800
- In-reply-to: <5667EEEC.email@example.com>
- List-archive: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/private/xmca-l>
- List-help: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org?subject=help>
- List-id: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l.mailman.ucsd.edu>
- List-post: <mailto:email@example.com>
- List-subscribe: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca-l>, <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org?subject=subscribe>
- List-unsubscribe: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca-l>, <mailto:email@example.com?subject=unsubscribe>
- References: <BY2PR07MB107A07F2BB5E3AC3A8B4304C1080@BY2PR07MB107.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <5666622F.firstname.lastname@example.org> <CAC0FE22T6LRBdb6qr0M0dO2cO3P0S+dA1-3vX4X8m=iJUuUthA@mail.gmail.com> <5666EE99.email@example.com> <CAC0FE22zXxMD1HNa_LOYUW0J1T=Uxi9kMUP17X+7Ac5B45OZZA@mail.gmail.com> <D0329F47A2DFF44F8FD4768D9952308D2E0CC8E5@WP0045.soliscom.uu.nl> <566762D0.firstname.lastname@example.org> <1dafea0da33b4b579ee8a337ddcc7526@EX13-07.utu.fi> <5667EEEC.email@example.com>
- Reply-to: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Sender: <email@example.com>
Andy, this (general) image flooded Piaget with an ecstasy in (realizing) all manifestations return to the (One).
This experience was the yearning, the desire and in this orientation or approach knowledge and epistemology are founded foundationally on what may be referred to as an ontology..
The hallmark is the desire for an approach that is (certain) across all situations.
My point is these yearnings are orientations towards certainty and foundations that can give and become a life project.
Piaget also embraced Kant (transcendental ideas)
I imagine our human urge for foundations is (general) but I am suggesting imaginal.
The response as (foundings) is also general.
From: "Andy Blunden" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: 2015-12-09 1:07 AM
To: "Rauno Huttunen" <email@example.com>; "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel's imagination - Piaget did read Hegel
Well, that settles the matter, doesn't it!
Thank you Rauno. :) It sounds as if he embraced Leibniz as well.
But it is a very "general" appropriation. isn't it? Still,
in my view, highly unlikely that Hegel's ideas about
imagination made their way to Piaget.
On 9/12/2015 7:29 PM, Rauno Huttunen wrote:
> There are biographical documents that proof that Piaget indeed read Hegel. Following sitation is from Webster R. Callaway´s book Jean Piaget: A Most Outrageous Deception, p. 4:
> "Piaget´s autobiography shows that he became enchanted with Hegel´s Absolute as an adolescent and proceeded immediately to build his entire philosophy and essentially all his psychology around Him. Literally everthing could be explained by iyts relationship to Him. He 'recalled one evening of profound revelation'. 'The Identification of God with life was an idea that stirred me almost to ecstacy because it enabled me to see in biology the explanation of all things and the mind itself' (Piaget, 1976b, 119)."
> I read this fragment from Google Books, so I don't know what is reference Piaget 1976b. But if this sitation is valid, it shows that Piaget was really enchanted byt Hegel's idea mystic related to the notion of Absolut.
> Rauno Huttunen
> University of Turku
> Lähettäjä: email@example.com [firstname.lastname@example.org] käyttäjän Andy Blunden [email@example.com] puolesta
> Lähetetty: 9. joulukuuta 2015 1:08
> Vastaanottaja: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Aihe: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel's imagination
> I have a recollection of discussions in the late 70s/early
> 80s where a number of Marxists (whose knowledge of Hegel was
> derivative of Engels in any case) fervently argued that
> Piaget was "compatible" with Marxism and that he was an
> "unconscious" dialectician. I am inclined to believe that
> Piaget never read Hegel, as you say Arthur, but a lot of
> people perceived a likeness. In my own reading of Piaget,
> which is extremely limited - but I did read his Genetic
> Epistemology, for example - is that he has not read Hegel or
> appropriated anything from him. But like Kuhn, the nature of
> the ideas he introduced made many people think of Hegel -
> the concern with sophisticated logic, transformational
> change between stages, for example.
> But quite apart from general resemblances with how change
> and development is conceived, the passage I sent the link to
> was from the Subjective Spirit. This is a work which has
> been very little discussed outside of "professional" Hegel
> scholarship until very recent times. If Piaget read Hegel
> that would not suggest that he knew anything about Hegel's
> ideas about Imagination.
> *Andy Blunden*
> On 9/12/2015 8:48 AM, Bakker, A. (Arthur) wrote:
>> Andy, Peter,
>> I just read an interesting book by Kitchener (1986) on Piaget:
>> Kitchener, R. F. (1986). Piaget's theory of knowledge: Genetic epistemology & scientific reason. Yale University Press.
>> There is a passage on dialectical thinking in Piaget's work, and there is an Hegelian influence, but Kitchener claims that Piaget never read Hegel.
>> I brought the book back to the library, so I cannot check the page numbers (cannot find it in google books).
>> However in the Cambridge Companion to Piaget, Hegel is mentioned a few times (e.g. p. 163 ff by Campbell) so
>> Dr Arthur Bakker | Freudenthal Institute | Faculty of Science and Faculty of Social and Behavioural Sciences| Utrecht University | Princetonplein 5, kamer 465 |PO Box 85170, 3508 AD Utrecht | tel. 030 253 5641 | email@example.com | sampling (ESM 2015), inquiry (ZDM 2015). scaffolding (ZDM 2015)
>> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [email@example.com] on behalf of Peter Feigenbaum [Staff] [firstname.lastname@example.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:36 PM
>> To: email@example.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Hegel's imagination
>> No, it's merely an hypothesis--although I must admit I never bothered to
>> check whether Piaget ever made any direct references to Hegel. The basis
>> for my hypothesis are several of Piaget's earliest essays in The Essential
>> Piaget (Howard Gruber & Jacques Vonèche, Eds.), which are all about *The
>> Idea*. Those essays are what led me (years ago) to infer that he was
>> fascinated with Hegel. Piaget's later writings, which weave dialectical
>> logic into his theory of development, only added further weight to that
>> Apparently, I'm not the only one to see an affinity between Piaget and
>> Hegel: Piaget's dialectical approach to development has been examined
>> by several philosophers, such as James Lawler and Marx Wartofsky. The
>> general critique of Piaget's application of dialectical logic by these
>> authors is that it doesn't stick closely enough to Hegel's formulation,
>> leading Piaget into inconsistencies.
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andy Blunden <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>> Do you have any evidence that Piaget studied Hegel?
>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>> On 9/12/2015 1:30 AM, Peter Feigenbaum [Staff] wrote:
>>>> What an amazing excerpt! From this one passage alone I can see the
>>>> strong influence that Hegel had upon Piaget.
>>>> Thanks for bringing this section of The Subjective Spirit to attention.
>>>> It's chock-full of interesting thoughts.
>>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Andy Blunden <email@example.com <mailto:
>>>> firstname.lastname@example.org>> wrote:
>>>> *Andy Blunden*
>>>> On 8/12/2015 3:47 PM, Annalisa Aguilar wrote:
>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>> Would you post a link reference to texts where
>>>> Hegel discusses imagination?
>>>> Peter Feigenbaum, Ph.D.
>>>> Office of Institutional Research <
>>>> Fordham University
>>>> Thebaud Hall-202
>>>> Bronx, NY 10458
>>>> Phone: (718) 817-2243
>>>> Fax: (718) 817-3817
>>>> email: email@example.com <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> Peter Feigenbaum, Ph.D.
>> Office of Institutional Research
>> Fordham University
>> Thebaud Hall-202
>> Bronx, NY 10458
>> Phone: (718) 817-2243
>> Fax: (718) 817-3817
>> email: email@example.com