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[Xmca-l] Re: Armistice/Veterans, what's in a name?
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- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 17:58:35 +0200
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Over the last two years I have read extensively on the First World War
(started because I had to tutor a school child, and then I rapidly became
fascinated). And then 2014 brought the BBC commemorations of 1914 to
everybody's attention. It rapidly became a new type of war, siege warfare,
and because for the first time, the civilian armies became involved. The
casualty lists were so long because it was a very long war of attrition,
until Germany came out from their defences in March 2018, and the war of
movement picked up again.
Semi-fictional books including, of course, the German "All quiet on the
Western Front" reveal the effects it had on the soldiers themselves. So
many saw many of their friends die. It was the first time that civilians
really started to understand what war was about and how unglamorous it had
become. And what a price there was to pay in young men's lives. It was the
first time there were memorials to the fallen. (Not for the fallen in the
Napoleonic wars a century earlier.)
Although I fully agree that war has become depersonalised in many way,
troops on the ground are still desperately affected - witness the lives of
returning Iraq veterans, whose needs unfortunately are not taken seriously
by society at large. Their visible scars of course, but also their
Perhaps our remembrance must be for these men and women, here and now. And
there is not a great deal for them to smile about. At least not that I know
On 12 November 2015 at 14:07, David Preiss <email@example.com> wrote:
> This poem of Denise Levertov came handy to illustrate the point:
> And it was written in 1992....
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:46 AM, David Preiss <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > People is smiling because people forgot that war means people dying. For
> > many countries now (USA, France, Russia, the UK) involvement in war has
> > became an everyday matter and just a risk for a few professionally
> > soldiers which do that as one does other job. On the other hand it can be
> > carried out from home using drones from your office space after which you
> > do your grocery shopping or sending superb planes which bomb villages
> > video-game like screens. Would a drone operator qualify as a war veteran
> > the same way than a WW2 veteran? Both suffer incredible damage but the
> > former never "engaged physically" or immediately with its victims or put
> > his physical life at stake. People smile in those countries because they
> > are at war and they don't know it.
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 3:49 AM, Tonyan, Holli A <Holli.Tonyan@csun.edu>
> > wrote:
> >> I contribute seldom to this list and am a bit more of an observer, but
> >> Mike, your statements and questions prompted a contribution. You
> >> me of my time in Australia when the history of 11/11 was so present in
> >> many towns and cities and memorialized in many neighborhoods of
> >> where I lived. The formal city memorial held a lovely ceremony and the
> >> city stopped to honor the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month.
> >> understood the meaning of the day so much more clearly from just a few
> >> short years there than I had from all of my life in the US before those
> >> years. That may have been more true because I was an outsider there.
> >> I am struck at how the renaming you point to so erases the history of
> >> day as also illustrated by the Google image and the many advertising
> >> campaigns that now so mark the holiday here in the US. NPR did a nice
> >> story about veterans' responses to the green light campaign Walmart has
> >> begun and the yellow ribbon campaigns. Many Veterans said they did not
> >> want to be memorialized, but wanted opportunities to provide leadership,
> >> support for the healing and grieving and opportunity for those who are
> >> So, you ask why are the Google vet faces smiling and we can also ask why
> >> there is so little memory of the grief and support for the grieving.
> >> Best wishes,
> >> Holli
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: email@example.com
> >> <firstname.lastname@example.org> on behalf of
> >> mike cole <email@example.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:41 PM
> >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> Subject: [Xmca-l] Armistice/Veterans, what's in a name?
> >> A few days ago I commented on the names given to a national holiday on
> >> 11 which, in the US, have changed during my life time from armistice day
> >> to
> >> memorial day to veterans day. I noted that the BBC has a big spread on
> >> Armistice day.... images of death, commemoration, grieving. On google,
> >> when
> >> I log in, there are pictures of a rainbow coalition of young adults in
> >> uniform, smiling.... at what? at how wonderful it will be to become a
> >> veteran?
> >> Why are they smiling, have they forgotten to anticipate the grieving?
> >> mike
> >> --
> >> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
> >> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
Carol A Macdonald PhD (Edin)
Academic, Researcher, and Editor
Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
Behind every gifted woman there is often a remarkable cat.