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[Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans



Hi All,
In a series of emails to Professor Bruner I wrote when writing
about the history of Vygotsky's legacy in the USA I asked him:



* "When did you first come up with the notion of scaffolding? Was
it connected to an observation out of your own experience in research or a
personal experience?"*


Here is his reply.
 On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Jerome S Bruner <jsb3@nyu.edu> wrote:

* Just one of those "labelling intuitions" that came out of the blue!
jb*

Robert Lake

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:49 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Hi Niktarios --- The difficulty of separating what LSV wrote from later
> interpretations that get read back on to him is pervasive and probably
> unavoidable. Even those who read his Russian texts do not agree on
> interpretation.
>
> The difficulty is compounded for us non-Russians because of translation
> difficulties (to which I have contributed -- see mca article on obuchenie)
> but it is also a result of people reading secondary sources and assuming
> that the writer's position, even when s/he draws upon LSV, is equivalent to
> LSV.
>
> Scaffolding is one of those innovations that seems to stick around
> tenaciously, despite criticism.
>
> I think its great that the perezhivanie discussion has led to issues of
> therapy which have much less hold in the US, it seems, than other parts of
> the world.. Lois Holtzman's writings on the topic are a clear exception.
> For those with this kind of interest, it provides an opening for finding
> out who else in xmca land is similarly inclined.
>
> mike
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Nektarios Alexi <
> NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au>
> wrote:
>
> > I googled and just found the following abstract
> >
> >
> > In his most recent writings Michael White made extensive reference to the
> > work of Russian psychologist Lev Vygotsky, taking up several Vygotskian
> > concepts (e.g., scaffolding) into a re-visioning of his narrative
> > conversations maps. We used observational coding to test White's newly
> > formulated scaffolding conversations map against actual process in
> therapy
> > with children, and the current paper is a qualitative report of our
> > findings. We found that most speech turns were codable at some level of
> the
> > map, that children responded to therapists' scaffolding, and that
> > therapists and children tended to proceed through the steps of the map in
> > single-session therapy. These findings demonstrate that White's model of
> > therapy is observable and suggest that change occurred at the level of
> > language over the session. This study lays the foundation for future
> > research regarding potential links between White's process and
> therapeutic
> > outcomes.
> >
> > Read More:
> >
> http://guilfordjournals.com/doi/abs/10.1521/jsyt.2010.29.4.74?journalCode=jsyt
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf
> of
> > Nektarios Alexi [NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2015 9:57 AM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
> >
> > Yes Philip I thought it would be from Brunner who got the idea of
> > scaffolding but in one of his books he claims that this idea is from
> > Vygotsky.
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf
> of
> > White, Phillip [Phillip.White@ucdenver.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2015 9:51 AM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
> >
> > as it turns out, Alexi, wikipedia sez influences on michael white (who is
> > reported to have died in san diego in 2008) are:
> >
> > Influences
> > While early influences included those of systems theory and cybernetics
> > (Gregory Bateson),[7] White's main work drew on a wide range of sources,
> > including literary theory (Jerome Bruner), cultural anthropology
> (Clifford
> > Geertz, Barbara Myerhoff, Victor Turner), non-structuralist psychology
> > (William James, Lev Vygotsky) and French critical / post-structuralist
> > philosophy (Jacques Derrida, Gilles Deleuze and Michel Foucault).[8]
> >
> > so, probably white got the notion of scaffolding from jerome bruner, who
> > has promoted the theory or scaffolding.
> >
> > phillip
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces+phillip.white=ucdenver.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > <xmca-l-bounces+phillip.white=ucdenver.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf
> of
> > Nektarios Alexi <NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au>
> > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 4:54 PM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
> >
> > I have not seen it my self at any of Vygotskys work but Michael White in
> > one of his books claims he  uses the idea of scaffolding that is taken
> from
> > Vygotsky's work for psychotherapeutic practice.Thats why I have said that
> > it could be that Michael White never read Vygotsky. He might read some
> > interpretations of Vygotsky from other scholars but not the original work
> > of Vygotksy.
> >
> > I remember when I got interviewed for a couple counselling position and
> > got asked whom are my favourite writers and said that one is Vygotsky
> (that
> > was 3 years ago) the respond was "oh yes we know Vygotsky, Michael White
> > the father of narrative therapy he uses his idea of scaffolding in his
> > theories for counseling" since then to be honest I was thinking that
> > scaffolding was Vygotksys concept:)
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
>



-- 
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Social Foundations of Education
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Georgia Southern University
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