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[Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans



I have not seen it my self at any of Vygotskys work but Michael White in one of his books claims he  uses the idea of scaffolding that is taken from Vygotsky's work for psychotherapeutic practice.Thats why I have said that it could be that Michael White never read Vygotsky. He might read some interpretations of Vygotsky from other scholars but not the original work of Vygotksy. 

I remember when I got interviewed for a couple counselling position and got asked whom are my favourite writers and said that one is Vygotsky (that was 3 years ago) the respond was "oh yes we know Vygotsky, Michael White the father of narrative therapy he uses his idea of scaffolding in his theories for counseling" since then to be honest I was thinking that scaffolding was Vygotksys concept:)

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From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf of mike cole [mcole@ucsd.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2015 9:16 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans

Nektarios--- Where does LSV use the term, scaffolding? Hmmmmm.
mike

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Nektarios Alexi <NEKTARIOS.ALEXI@cdu.edu.au>
wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> It might be that only now after trying to read and understand Vygotsky's
> work for the last 4 years I might started having a sense what perezhivanie
> really is (so it might be that firstly I am shocked by realizing the depth
> and breath of this russian word) by reading Vasilyuk commentaries. Also I
> am talking from the perspective of many Australians, so call postmodern
> psychotherapists or otherwise call narrative psychotherapists, that their
> main teacher was Michael White, who claims in his books that he uses
> Vygotsky's idea of scaffolding to help people to restructure their
> narratives and as a consequence of that to overcome their mental health
> issues. I do not think that the way Vasilyuk understands Vygotsky has any
> simillarity with the way that many narrative psychotherapists might have
> understood Vygotsky, so I think for any postmodern thinker who claims to be
> a follower of  Vygotsky it might be a bit shocking to read how Vasilyuk
> interprets many of the basic concepts of Vygotsky's work.
>
>
>
> Best Wishes,
>
>
>
> Nektarios
>
> ________________________________
> From: Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net]
> Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 9:44 PM
> To: Nektarios Alexi; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; Annalisa Aguilar
> Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
>
> The long trail of spaces at the end of the URL may cause people to get a
> bad link, Alex.
> Try http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176
>
> Why do you say Vasilyuk gives such a *shocking* perspective on
> perezhivanie, Alex?
> Andy
> ________________________________
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> On 2/11/2015 10:20 PM, Nektarios Alexi wrote:
>
> Attach is the article  that is locked. I have only read the first article
> from the list and hoping to read the other two by tomorrow sometime. I have
> a sense that Vasilyuk work is a good answer against the postmodern attitude
> of many psychotherapists and counsellors today and especially in Australia.
> Is funny though that narrative therapists in Australia and especially
> Michael White was thinking that is  applying Vygotsky's ideas in his work
> (i don't think he ever read his work properly). Vasilyuk I think is
> shocking by giving such an unexpected perspective to the word
> *perezhivanie*. Another shocking perspective of Vygotsky and against the
> postmodern attitudes of many psychotherapists today comes from the Thesis
> of    Levykh Michael where he gives an amazing description of the word
> (leachnost) which the english translation is personality.
>
> Find his thesis in the following link
> http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176________________________________________
>
> Best Wishes,
> Nektarios
>
>
> From: xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> [xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces+nektarios.alexi=cdu.edu.au@mailman.ucsd.edu>] on behalf of
> Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net<mailto:ablunden@mira.net>]
> Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 7:49 PM
> To: Annalisa Aguilar; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans
>
> The article I am referring to is at
> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/10610405.2015.1064721
> People might be interested in the concept of
> "psychotherapeutic reliance" for example.
> The reliance is the process within the patient which the
> therapist relies upon to resolve the problem, thus
> separating the technique used by the therapist from the
> process within the subject which is being relied upon in
> designing the technique.
> In pre-Freudian days when the method was hypnosis, the
> reliance is *suggestibility*.
> FOr Freudian psychotherapy, the reliance is *awareness*.
> For Psychodrama, the reliance is *spontaneity*.
> For Behavioural Therapy, the reliance is *learning*.
> For Vasilyuk's "Co-experiencing" therapy the reliance is
> *perezhivanie*, and he goes on to describe the main
> characteristics of perezhivanie.
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> On 2/11/2015 6:50 PM, Annalisa Aguilar wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, Andy, that 2nd article is locked down.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Annalisa
>
>
>
>


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