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[Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans

Hi Andy,

It might be that only now after trying to read and understand Vygotsky's work for the last 4 years I might started having a sense what perezhivanie really is (so it might be that firstly I am shocked by realizing the depth and breath of this russian word) by reading Vasilyuk commentaries. Also I am talking from the perspective of many Australians, so call postmodern psychotherapists or otherwise call narrative psychotherapists, that their main teacher was Michael White, who claims in his books that he uses Vygotsky's idea of scaffolding to help people to restructure their narratives and as a consequence of that to overcome their mental health issues. I do not think that the way Vasilyuk understands Vygotsky has any simillarity with the way that many narrative psychotherapists might have understood Vygotsky, so I think for any postmodern thinker who claims to be a follower of  Vygotsky it might be a bit shocking to read how Vasilyuk interprets many of the basic concepts of Vygotsky's work.

Best Wishes,


From: Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net]
Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 9:44 PM
To: Nektarios Alexi; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity; Annalisa Aguilar
Subject: Re: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans

The long trail of spaces at the end of the URL may cause people to get a bad link, Alex.
Try http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176

Why do you say Vasilyuk gives such a *shocking* perspective on perezhivanie, Alex?
*Andy Blunden*
On 2/11/2015 10:20 PM, Nektarios Alexi wrote:

Attach is the article  that is locked. I have only read the first article from the list and hoping to read the other two by tomorrow sometime. I have a sense that Vasilyuk work is a good answer against the postmodern attitude of many psychotherapists and counsellors today and especially in Australia. Is funny though that narrative therapists in Australia and especially Michael White was thinking that is  applying Vygotsky's ideas in his work (i don't think he ever read his work properly). Vasilyuk I think is shocking by giving such an unexpected perspective to the word *perezhivanie*. Another shocking perspective of Vygotsky and against the postmodern attitudes of many psychotherapists today comes from the Thesis of    Levykh Michael where he gives an amazing description of the word (leachnost) which the english translation is personality.

Find his thesis in the following link   http://summit.sfu.ca/item/9176________________________________________

Best Wishes,

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Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 7:49 PM
To: Annalisa Aguilar; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: 4 experiencing fans

The article I am referring to is at
People might be interested in the concept of
"psychotherapeutic reliance" for example.
The reliance is the process within the patient which the
therapist relies upon to resolve the problem, thus
separating the technique used by the therapist from the
process within the subject which is being relied upon in
designing the technique.
In pre-Freudian days when the method was hypnosis, the
reliance is *suggestibility*.
FOr Freudian psychotherapy, the reliance is *awareness*.
For Psychodrama, the reliance is *spontaneity*.
For Behavioural Therapy, the reliance is *learning*.
For Vasilyuk's "Co-experiencing" therapy the reliance is
*perezhivanie*, and he goes on to describe the main
characteristics of perezhivanie.
*Andy Blunden*
On 2/11/2015 6:50 PM, Annalisa Aguilar wrote:

Unfortunately, Andy, that 2nd article is locked down.

Kind regards,