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[Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs of giving



Might check out Fred's writing. From his blog:

"I am philosophically interested in time, evolution, and self-organizing
complex systems in game theory and economics. Shakespeare is my enduring
literary obsession."

-- most of his writing is poetry, leaning toward epic, and even a sci-fi
epic poem. One novel evidently considering whether moral values, distinct
from esthetic ones, are a necessity (in an imagined future civilization).

-- wrote a diss on Shakespeare's theory of time in society!


Jay Lemke
LCHC/Department of Communication
University of California - San Diego
www.jaylemke.com


On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:

> At Kenyon College in about 1972, I took a Shakespeare course from Fred
> Turner, who told us about growing up on the African Savannah while his
> parents did anthropological studies. Victor and Edith's son, it turned out.
> He became a science fiction novelist, which would surely count as
> challenging Western ontology.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Jay Lemke
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 1:42 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs of
> giving
>
> "Structure" and "liminality" are terms from Victor Turner's theoretical
> analysis. His co-author and partner, Edith Turner, continued and deepened
> this work by examining in more depth and in different culture sites (the
> original work was mostly in Africa), a third term, "communitas". She has a
> book of this title, which overviews decades of this research. I would say
> her main thesis is that communities are capable of producing emergent
> collective phenomena which challenge Western assumptions about ontology.
>
> Will try to look at the CBS segment in a while.
>
> JAY.
>
>
> Jay Lemke
> LCHC/Department of Communication
> University of California - San Diego
> www.jaylemke.com
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:03 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
> > And what did you make of that CBS segment, Larry?
> > Seems to me that it displayed several examples of structure and
> liminality.
> > But I may be misapplying the terms.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Monday, October 19, 2015, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Jay,
> > > I just noticed wikepedia has a site exploring communitas as the
> > > place between structure and liminality.
> > > This may be a boundary space or boundary object where we experience
> > > the joy of communitas.
> > > It seems to have a semblance to space of play as mimesis Liminal
> > > antistructure in play with structure.
> > > Very pregnant and fertile possibility in the realm of the not yet
> > > but could be.
> > > Imaginal
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Lplarry" <lpscholar2@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > Sent: ‎2015-‎10-‎19 9:44 AM
> > > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > > <javascript:;>>; "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net <javascript:;>>
> > > Subject: RE: [Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social
> > > springs ofgiving
> > >
> > > Jay,
> > > Do you have a specific article or book to recommend.
> > > The theme of communitas and choirs as places of communitas (through
> > > the
> > > ear) seem central to what mike is calling to our ways of orienting
> > > Larry
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Jay Lemke
> > > Sent: ‎2015-‎10-‎19 9:17 AM
> > > To: Andy Blunden; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs
> > > of giving
> > >
> > >
> > > For an interesting approach to "community", I'd recommend Edith
> > > Turner's "Communitas". Ethnographic deepening of late Victor Turner's
> concept.
> > >
> > > JAY.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jay Lemke
> > > LCHC/Department of Communication
> > > University of California - San Diego www.jaylemke.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
> > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, indeed I am interested, Mike.
> > > > Critiquing the concept of "social capital" and developing an
> > alternative
> > > > concept of "social solidarity" and searching for a suitable unit of
> > > > analysis was how I got started down the track I have been on ever
> since
> > > > then, about 2003. What is the difference between community as in all
> > > people
> > > > living in such and such town, and "real" community? Robert Putnam had
> > > > assembled evidence that almost any collective activity fosters what
> he
> > > > called "social capital." The problem was that he couldn't distinguish
> > > > between the mafia taking root in a community and a community taking
> > > control
> > > > of crime on its streets, etc. His classic "example" activity was the
> > > > formation of choir groups, proven promoters of collective "wealth".
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > *Andy Blunden*
> > > > http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> > > >
> > > > On 19/10/2015 2:07 PM, mike cole wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I found a segment of the American weekly TV program, 60 minutes,
> more
> > > than
> > > >> usually interesting this evening, and one segment in particular
> > > >> seemed to have a lot of relevance to many different interests of
> > people
> > > on
> > > >> xmca. The topic was the the activities of the "Make a Wish
> > Foundation."
> > > >>
> > > >> Of the very many issues that the program discusses, one which I
> found
> > > >> particularly interesting was the ability of the organized practice
> of
> > > >> communities
> > > >> raising money to give seriously ill children "a last wish" is one
> that
> > > has
> > > >> particular relevance to questions about the mechanisms of social
> > > >> solidarity. In small towns in northern Arkansas, a relatively poor
> and
> > > out
> > > >> of the part of the US, people raise amazing amounts of money to
> > provide
> > > >> special experience for kids who are dying of some disease that has
> not
> > > >> known current cure. What particularly caught my attention especially
> > is
> > > >> the
> > > >> powerful effect that participation in the money raising and the
> > > ingenious
> > > >> social organization of the activities, has on community members
> across
> > > >> several generations, from peers to grandparents. In one sense, it
> > seems
> > > >> that everything is so focuses on the individual kid that it is
> "just a
> > > >> manifestation of late capitalist individualism." If effects on the
> > kids
> > > is
> > > >> interesting, but it is the reflected effect on the community pretty
> > > >> generally, and the emergence of strong personal bonds in particular
> > that
> > > >> caught me most.
> > > >>
> > > >> Andy might find this interesting as an example of a project.
> > > >>
> > > >> mike
> > > >>
> > > >>   http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/topics/60-minutes/     click on
> make
> > a
> > > >> wish
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > It is the dilemma of psychology to deal as a natural science with an
> > object that creates history. Ernst Boesch
> >
>
>