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[Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs ofgiving

I just noticed wikepedia has a site exploring communitas as the place between structure and liminality.
This may be a boundary space or boundary object where we experience the joy of communitas.
It seems to have a semblance to space of play as mimesis
Liminal antistructure in play with structure.
Very pregnant and fertile possibility in the realm of the not yet but could be.

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From: "Lplarry" <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎2015-‎10-‎19 9:44 AM
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>; "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
Subject: RE: [Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs ofgiving

Do you have a specific article or book to recommend.
The theme of communitas and choirs as places of communitas (through the ear) seem central to what mike is calling to our ways of orienting

From: Jay Lemke
Sent: ‎2015-‎10-‎19 9:17 AM
To: Andy Blunden; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Interesting to think about: the social springs of giving

For an interesting approach to "community", I'd recommend Edith Turner's
"Communitas". Ethnographic deepening of late Victor Turner's concept.


Jay Lemke
LCHC/Department of Communication
University of California - San Diego

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Yes, indeed I am interested, Mike.
> Critiquing the concept of "social capital" and developing an alternative
> concept of "social solidarity" and searching for a suitable unit of
> analysis was how I got started down the track I have been on ever since
> then, about 2003. What is the difference between community as in all people
> living in such and such town, and "real" community? Robert Putnam had
> assembled evidence that almost any collective activity fosters what he
> called "social capital." The problem was that he couldn't distinguish
> between the mafia taking root in a community and a community taking control
> of crime on its streets, etc. His classic "example" activity was the
> formation of choir groups, proven promoters of collective "wealth".
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
> On 19/10/2015 2:07 PM, mike cole wrote:
>> I found a segment of the American weekly TV program, 60 minutes, more than
>> usually interesting this evening, and one segment in particular
>> seemed to have a lot of relevance to many different interests of people on
>> xmca. The topic was the the activities of the "Make a Wish Foundation."
>> Of the very many issues that the program discusses, one which I found
>> particularly interesting was the ability of the organized practice of
>> communities
>> raising money to give seriously ill children "a last wish" is one that has
>> particular relevance to questions about the mechanisms of social
>> solidarity. In small towns in northern Arkansas, a relatively poor and out
>> of the part of the US, people raise amazing amounts of money to provide
>> special experience for kids who are dying of some disease that has not
>> known current cure. What particularly caught my attention especially is
>> the
>> powerful effect that participation in the money raising and the ingenious
>> social organization of the activities, has on community members across
>> several generations, from peers to grandparents. In one sense, it seems
>> that everything is so focuses on the individual kid that it is "just a
>> manifestation of late capitalist individualism." If effects on the kids is
>> interesting, but it is the reflected effect on the community pretty
>> generally, and the emergence of strong personal bonds in particular that
>> caught me most.
>> Andy might find this interesting as an example of a project.
>> mike
>>   http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/topics/60-minutes/     click on make a
>> wish