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[Xmca-l] Re: Perezhivanie, again



Would it be fair to say that perezhvanie refers to something that is both difficult and creative? A crisis, perhaps, but not one that crushes, obliterates. I don’t mean triumphalism here. And the resolution can be a long time coming. Even constant food for thought and feeling at different “stages” of development. 
Henry
 
> On Aug 22, 2015, at 1:30 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> 
> Yes, indeed, Larry. For anyone who finds this line of discussion
> interesting, I recommend *The metaphysical club* by Louis Menand. All the
> main characters are there.
> 
> pere words are fascinating. Perhaps this issue has been taken up by Anna
> Wierzbicka?
> mike
> 
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Lubomir,
>> This explanation is very clear and I appreciate your returning "again" to
>> perezhivanie.
>> With each "again" we further differentiate (and therefore relate) the
>> "character" of experience.
>> Mike, the pro/ject of clarifying pere type notions (which is also
>> therefore a relating) seems to be circling around what is be/coming a KEY
>> concern that is being being lifted out of the stream of
>> communication/consciousness.
>> It seems Mead and Dewey and James and Peirce were also circling around
>> pere phenomena as can be "seen" in their essays.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Lubomir Savov Popov" <lspopov@bgsu.edu>
>> Sent: ‎2015-‎08-‎22 10:51 AM
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: [Xmca-l]  Perezhivanie, again
>> 
>> Hi Larry,
>> 
>> Essay is a very situational translation of perezhivanie or opit. It is too
>> much of a stretch.
>> 
>> By the way, the root of perezhivanie is zhiv which is also the root for
>> life, live, and anything that is derived from them. In this line of
>> thought, "lived experience" might be the closest English translation,
>> although I am not sure how close it is.
>> 
>> Pereshivanie presupposes life experience, but not every life experience.
>> It refers only to experience that involves a lot of feelings and emotions,
>> as well as some kind of rethinking of that situation (I would not say
>> reflection because it is a much stronger category). The study of katarzis
>> can shed light here, although katarzis is an extreme case and should not be
>> a required condition for perezhivanie.
>> 
>> Pere- is a prefix that modifies a verb or another part of speech to
>> emphasize a process, action, transforming something, overcoming something,
>> passing through something in space, indicating an extra level of something,
>> and so on. It means too many different things in different situations and
>> words. Maybe someone else will help here. Right now I am not in my best
>> shape about that.
>> 
>> Google translate is helpless in translating perezhivanie, although it is
>> very good for ordinal numbers and some the names of animals. Besides, the
>> translation of perezhivanie should start with the clarification of the
>> Russian concept (which is a hell of a time) and then searching for English
>> word that is very close to it. If there are no English words, than we can
>> just use it as it is. There are many such examples in English. I remember
>> that the mas media do not translate the word for the Afgan national
>> assembly and use the local word Ghirga or something like that.
>> 
>> Opit is easy to translate in English. It is work experience, life
>> experience, . More or less, and some people might even say, almost exactly.
>> 
>> Lubomir
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xmca-l-bounces+lspopov=bgsu.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>> xmca-l-bounces+lspopov=bgsu.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Lplarry
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 1:18 PM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Kozol's writing place
>> 
>> Another "link" back to "opyt" as "experience".
>> One trans/lation I found of "opyt" is "essay" which  opens a door into the
>> "creative" Process of art forms .
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Robert Lake" <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>> Sent: ‎2015-‎08-‎22 10:10 AM
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Kozol's writing place
>> 
>> Thanks  Henry. I kept thinking of Vera's book as well I was watching it.
>> RL
>> On Aug 22, 2015 1:04 PM, "HENRY SHONERD" <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Robert,
>>> The whole half hour interview is worth a whole lot! Thank you! Things
>>> I especially liked: His sharing of the artifacts, his messy method,
>>> and , of course,  the place where he writes.( Larry Purss just shared
>>> an article on Meade that cites the trascendetalists of 19th Century
>>> America, who I associate with the very kind of New England house where
>>> Kozol writes.) All of the interview reminded me of Vera John Steiner’s
>>> Notebooks of the Mind on the creative process. And the importance of
>>> lived experience Who couldn’t love the guy? And they fired him!
>>> Henry
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 21, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Robert Lake
>>>> <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> The first 12 minutes of th
>>>> ​e program linked below​
>>>> are worth watching
>>>> ​ because shed light on Kozol's creative process of writing and
>>>> reveal
>>> some
>>>> of the sources of his inspiration to write.
>>>> Langston Hughes sent Kozol an
>>>> autographed
>>>> photo
>>>> ​ of himself​
>>>> 
>>>> ​after​
>>>> 
>>>> ​Kozol​
>>>> was fired
>>>> ​ from his first teaching job​
>>>> for reading one of
>>>> ​Hughes'​
>>>> poems in a high school English class.
>>>> ​
>>>> ​Kozol​
>>>> says reading Rilke, Yeats and Auden are his soul foo ​d​ and ​ he
>>>> was also a personal friend of Mister Rogers.* Who knew?​*
>>>> http://www.c-span.org/video/?288596-2/jonathan-kozol-writing-books.
>>>> 
>>>> Robert Lake  Ed.D.
>>>> Associate Professor
>>>> Social Foundations of Education
>>>> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading Georgia Southern
>>>> University
>>>> Secretary/Treasurer-AERA- Paulo Freire Special Interest Group P. O.
>>>> Box 8144
>>>> Phone: (912) 478-0355
>>>> Fax: (912) 478-5382
>>>> Statesboro, GA  30460
>>>> *He not busy being born is busy dying.* Bob Dylan (1964).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch