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[Xmca-l] Re: Referential Realism and Gesture



Greg,

The "spirit" of honouring the agency of artifacts is such a radical
departure from our current notions of common sense. I am sending a long [90
minute conversation] that develops a profound deepening of this notion to
go "beneath" notions of naturalism/ecology to embrace a multitude of
agencies/spirits.

It challenges the taken for granted notions of the "anthropology" as it
"morphs" beyond its current borders.

http://www.ikebarberlearningcentre.ubc.ca/latour/.

Larry

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Greg Thompson <
<http://www.ikebarberlearningcentre.ubc.ca/latour/>greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Larry,
> Yes, I think that "intersubjectivity" is nice, but it has it's limits.
> Latour had a nice article in MCA simply titled "On Interobjectivity" that
> pushed a bit beyond the limits of "intersubjectivity".
> I've attached it (figured it was "old" enough to share - hope nobody comes
> after me...).
> -greg
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:14 AM, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>> My impression is that meaning is in the "act". The act is referential and
>> the meaning arises through these multiple characteristics which develop
>> through a socio-naturalistic path of development.
>>  Sinha's focus is the 2nd person intersubjective realm.
>> Greg he does say that "cognitive linguistics" as a field is grappling
>> with where "mind" is located but I think he is taking "mind" into a
>> socio-naturalistic arena beyond Kant.
>>
>> I am now going to read a book he wrote "language and representation" as
>> it has a chapter on the historical origins of our notions of semiosis and
>> reference.
>> Greg, there seem to be two different notions of "intersubjevtivity"
>> 1) belonging TOGETHER
>> 2) BELONGING together.
>> In the first the together is primary and then we each find our way to
>> each other and find approaches to "belong" as the consummation. This holds
>> Kantian themes.
>> The secong posits the belonging as primordial and as we undergo shared
>> mutual experiences becoming "an" experience the subject matter (the
>> primordial source of belonging) undergoes a felt sense of our be/coming
>> together. The belonging is primordial and the togetherness is derived.
>> BOTH approaches are named " intersubjevtive but they highlight different
>> characteristics of the character of the concept "intersubjevtivity"
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Lplarry" <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> Sent: ‎2015-‎08-‎18 6:52 AM
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> Subject: RE: [Xmca-l] Re: Referential Realism and Gesture
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Greg Thompson
>> Sent: ‎2015-‎08-‎18 6:41 AM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Referential Realism and Gesture
>>
>>
>> Larry,
>> This is a very neat and smart paper.
>> My one concern is that it seems to slide down the dualistic side of a
>> Kantian view of the world that presumes the very mistakes that the author
>> is trying to sidestep (e.g., that meaning is in the head).
>>
>> I think there is good reason to think of discursive (perhaps semiotic)
>> objects as real. I don't think that they are just "maps" of reality (I'm
>> not 100% certain that this is Sinha's point since I rushed through a bit,
>> but it seemed like where it was headed). They ARE reality (or, at least we
>> could say that they are "real" and "objective" in Hegel's sense).
>>
>> That's a big leap, I know, but I find the alternative to be equally
>> problematic.
>> -greg
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I am not sure how relevant this article may be but it does have overlaps
>> > with many themes discussed and Sinha's version of cognitive
>> > linguistics which has an intersubjective focus putting referential
>> > realism as foundational a clear presentation of this tradition
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Anthropology
>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>> Brigham Young University
>> Provo, UT 84602
>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>