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[Xmca-l] Re: Anthropology of Youth and Childhood teaching resources



David,
I just had an ahah moment that is probably obvious to most on this chat that it might be productive to connect the ZoPed to Boundary Object: In a general sense your article is not just about schooling, but all contexts with a potential for creative collaboration. So, the assymetry of power inherent in adult/child, for democracy’s sake, must be dealt with in ALL contexts where leadership is an issue. The video link from Greg invites one to have more respect for youth than for Clever Hans. Actually, it’s the gullibility of the human animal, at least some of it wrought by schooling, that never ceases to amaze. Hence, cooperation is so much easier than collaboration in the Zone. Development has been stunted in a real, tragic sense. Oy.

Have a great day, everybody. I’m happy, because I am going to a feast at Santo Domingo Pueblo and get some that that good green and red New Mexico chile. Someday maybre some XMCA project will bring some of you here? There’s more to the place than green and red chile. 

Henry


Here’s the “child-centered” 
> On Aug 3, 2015, at 1:44 AM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Henry.  We're trying to bring out "Between Lessons" in Korean, as a
> kind of pamphlet. As you can see, it's a little polemical: in South Korea
> one of the key problems we have in interpreting the Zone of Proximal
> Development is NOT the confusion with the "Zone of Proximal Learning" that
> we see in other countries (see especially Dynamic Assessment, and the whole
> tendency to confuse the ZPD with different forms of corrective feedback).
> What we get is really the confusion of the ZPD with a very generalized form
> of "collaboration" (some radical teachers even argue that any division of
> labor in the classroom at all is exploitative and defeats the purpose of
> internalization).
> 
> So we have to worry a little about "Clever Hans", the horse that supposedly
> "counted" in the nineteenth century. You ask Hans what three plus one is,
> and the  horse begins to pound its forehoof--one, two, three, four---and
> then you give Hans a big smile and say, "VERY good! CLEV-er Hans!" and not
> surprisingly Hans stops. But YOU are the one doing the counting, not Hans.
> In the same way, the kind of "child centred" education where the teacher
> essentially organizes the task from beginning to end without any obvious
> "division of labor" is really the most stark division of labor possible--a
> division which by making the organizer's role implicit makes it harder than
> ever for the child to internalize it.
> 
> David Kellogg
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 2:29 AM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Greg and Rod,
>> I was reading through a nice, long article on the ZPD co-authored and
>> proferred for the chat by David Kellogg some weeks back:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.academia.edu/13725202/Between_Lessons_The_Zone_of_Proximal_Development_in_Korean_Schools
>> <
>> http://www.academia.edu/13725202/Between_Lessons_The_Zone_of_Proximal_Development_in_Korean_Schools
>>> 
>> 
>> On page 11 of the article I found the following:
>> 
>> "Vygotsky also uses two very different methods in his book on imagination
>> and creativity. In one, Vygotsky uses children’s drawings, songs by street
>> children, and their spontaneous literary productions in class theatre and
>> in class newspapers to try to understand what child imagination is like and
>> how adult intervention in the creative process can build on it rather than
>> substitute itself for it. In the other, he discusses Tolstoy’s experiments
>> with teaching children literary language. Despite Tolstoy’s claim that he
>> is “learning” from the children, we actually learn a lot more about
>> Tolstoy’s expectations than we do about the children’s independent
>> capabilities.”
>> 
>> As a parent, as a teacher, and as a teacher educator, I have struggled for
>> a long with how we can both respect creative youth and be knowledgeable
>> adults, The quote, for me, resonates with what Greg proffered from the
>> Anthropology of Youth and Childhood group.
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Rod Parker-Rees <
>> R.Parker-Rees@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Many thanks Greg - some really useful films here. I am sure our students
>> will find much to discuss among them.
>>> Rod
>>> 
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>> On Behalf Of Greg Thompson
>>> Sent: 30 July 2015 05:11
>>> To: xmca-l@ucsd.edu
>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Anthropology of Youth and Childhood teaching resources
>>> 
>>> Interesting stuff here:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAJWMx-D8EYn3orNjsCy9k3F2atP31hrZ
>>> 
>>> It is a youtube channel of teaching resources assembled by the
>> Anthropology of Youth and Childhood group.
>>> 
>>> It includes some ethnographies of kids from around the globe as well as
>> a recent redo of the classic black/white doll study.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully it will be of interest to some...
>>> 
>>> -greg
>>> 
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