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[Xmca-l] Re: Having an experience



Yes, Larry, BOTH doing and undergoing are necessary for an experience. If you are acting blindly to what you are doing then you cannot have an experience in that,

Andy
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*Andy Blunden*
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On 18/07/2015 1:40 PM, Larry Purss wrote:
Andy,

the phrase
"changing how you henceforth interact with a certain kind of situation, person or whatever". This form of wilfully changing the world as a "doing" may "conceal" as well as "reveal" and become one sided "doing".

However, as I was reading Dewey's "Having an Experience" I was reading a caution that we also pause in our reflections/critiques when we are intently focusing on "doing". That THIS "doing" may be/come a one sided intended focus if we loose sight of the "on the other hand" of "doing" [the receiving aspect] as also changing how you henceforth interact with a certain kind of situation, person, or whatever."

Changing "how you henceforth act" includes this other kind of "doing" that is not so focused on "constructing" but is more focused as anticipation opening towards and undergoing "an" experience as a way of orienting within the world.

performing the world "includes" this doing and that doing and both are agentic ways of experiencing forming places. Either alone and we loose having "an" experience.

Is Dewey actually saying what I am putting in his mouth? Am I "translating"? or learning a different "language"?
Here is Thomas Kuhn's understanding of "learning a language"

There is a certain group of connected terms that seem to occur together in closely related ways in areas that do not make sense. Finally one perceives that if you "use" the words THIS way you can finally understand what these passages in a text "mean". You then utilize what you have "discovered" and teach other people to use the words in THAT way. That's why Kuhn says that the process of "understanding" involves language LEARNING and cannot be reduced to "translation" You cannot go back and forth between the two languages. You cannot simply incorporate terms from another language into your own language and "use" them interchangeably with your own terms."

Now to "understand" the language is conceptual but must we also undergo having "an" experience "using" this language before we "understand" this language. And is THIS process of undergoing "an" experience the meaning of "learning"?





Andy, I am asking if both kinds of "doing" are necessary for learning and to "have" an experience that is meaningful? Both in/take and out/take [taking "in"] and [taking "out"]. Anticipation consummated and completed and at rest [not concluded and finished] In Dewey's language "phases" of experience. In place-making the "extension" within time.