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[Xmca-l] Re: The zone of proximal development



Sorry, everybody. Try this link.

http://www.academia.edu/13725202/Between_Lessons_The_Zone_of_Proximal_Development_in_Korean_Schools

If that doesn't work, shoot me an e-mail, and I'll send the pdf.

David Kellogg


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've been reading, with some interest, Martin Packer's 2011 paper
> "Schooling: Domestication or Ontological Construction" which speaks to this
> issue of an asymmetrical relationship and is somewhat critical of the
> long-standing CHAT assumptions with regard to this asymmetry. His paper can
> be found under his papers on his academia.edu page:
> https://uniandes.academia.edu/MartinPacker
>
> I should add that I think that Nicaraguan Sign language may hold particular
> potential for seeing just how creative (poietic) children can be on their
> own - a case in which the end was not present in the beginning, but the
> whole was present before the parts ("whole" in the very Durkheimian sense
> of the whole community). That's just me musing.
>
> Also, David, I just tried to download the piece you linked to and it says
> it is missing. Any suggestions?
>
> -greg
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:42 PM, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ah, but is it a zone of proximal development--or just a zone of proximal
> > learning? And for whom?
> >
> > Henry asked--some time ago--about the difference between scaffolding and
> > the zoped, and I argued that scaffolding could be seen as one
> moment--but a
> > rather extreme and externalized moment--of a zone of proximal learning,
> but
> > not a zone of proximal development.
> >
> > The shape this problem takes in Korea is really a debate over the
> > respective merits of collaboration and cooperation. The idea is that
> > collaboration (which conspicuously contains the word "labor") does not
> > involve the division of labor and does not involve one party making
> > decisions and the other executing them, while cooperation does; ergo,
> > collaboration is a kind of cell for the ideal society and cooperation is
> a
> > cell for capitalism.
> >
> > Needless to say, Vygotsky doesn't agree with this at all: almost all of
> his
> > examples are, on the contrary, examples of highly asymmetrical divisions
> of
> > labor (mother and child, teacher and child doing homework, experimenter
> and
> > subject, etc.). It is only through the revolutionary graspture and
> radical
> > restructuring and interior redecoration of the function of the decision
> > maker that we get free will. So cooperation and collaboration turn out to
> > be moments of the same process, but that process is, after all, a zone of
> > proximal learning and not necessarily a zone of proximal development.
> >
> > I guess I find it useful to distinguish between an "everyday concept" of
> > the Zoped and a "scientific concept" of the Zoped. This corresponds more
> or
> > less the distinction that Seth Chaiklin (2003) makes between the
> subjective
> > (child by child) zoped and the objective (age cohort) zoped, except that
> it
> > is functional and genetic in its description rather than structural.
> >
> > We are presenting a longish paper on this on Saturday at a workshop in
> > Kangweondo. Here's the English version!
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.academia.edu/13724420/Between_Lessons_The_Zone_of_Proximal_Development_in_Korean_Schools
> >
> > (Warning--it's 33,000 words long, and almost all the examples are from
> > Korean education!)
> >
> > David Kellogg
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:21 AM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Annalisa,
> > > Thanks for sharing! There may be a similar referendum in Puerto Rico.
> > What
> > > a world!
> > > H
> > >
> > > > On Jul 5, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Annalisa Aguilar <annalisa@unm.edu>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Henry,
> > > >
> > > > Clever mom!
> > > >
> > > > This will likely be a very memorable event for the both of them.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I found this photograph quite moving, because, well... for
> > > many many reasons!
> > > >
> > > > So thanks for letting me share it!
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Annalisa
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
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>