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[Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA



Sorry to add to the reading load, but these are short op-eds. It's a series of 2 essays in response to a U of Maryland professor's haughty dismissal of community college students.

Smagorinsky, P. (2015, February 9). Issue isn’t welding vs. Chaucer. It’s how to remove barriers to college. Atlanta Journal-Constitution. http://getschooled.blog.ajc.com/2015/02/09/opinion-issue-isnt-welding-vs-chaucer-its-how-to-remove-barriers-to-college/ 

Smagorinsky, P. (2015, February 25). Community college: Not ‘failing diploma mills,’ but pathways to success. Atlanta Journal-Constitution. http://getschooled.blog.ajc.com/2015/02/25/community-college-not-failing-diploma-mills-but-pathways-to-success/ 

The second essay includes the following attention to a program designed to help low-income women advance their education, often beginning in community colleges. Of course, you are welcome to send in a donation. These are good people doing great work. 

"One person wrote suggesting I look at the Jeannette Rankin Foundation, whose mission is dedicated to helping mature, low-income women 35 and older succeed through education, often beginning with an associate’s degree. http://www.rankinfoundation.org/ "

-----Original Message-----
From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:45 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA

​Re solving poverty. This story from the NY Times seems worthy of consideration. All one has to do is scale up this program a tad. Imagine!
mike​

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> I thought this topic was in an exchange between Peter and myself, but 
> glad to see I was wrong. My own very partial response on this specific 
> issue is attached. At least its short!
> The directly relevant material is the description of the work of bill 
> hall and colleagues conducted in the 1970's and widely ignored.
>
> The illusion that parent training programs will end poverty is 
> certainly a powerful one in the United States. At the very least, 
> social scientists can stop making inequalities worse by misusing the 
> tools of their trade eggregiously.
>
> mike
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Greg Thompson 
> <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I recently read Paul Tough's book Whatever it Takes about 
>> Geoffrey Canada's Harlem Children's Zone. I recall that Hart and 
>> Risley's study was one among many that were central to Canada's 
>> vision of things (and it played a very central role in the argument presented in the book).
>> I can't help but wonder if this isn't just a way of dealing with the 
>> problem of fundraising and getting funding.
>> Anyone else?
>> -greg
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Mike, help us out with some titles?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>> > xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike 
>> > xmca-l-bounces+cole
>> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 3:16 PM
>> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA
>> >
>> > did you see my paper on this issue using bill hall's work?
>> > Its one of my list of topics lurching along
>> >
>> > m
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I agree. The "word gap" research has often been conducted using 
>> > > standardized vocabulary tests that assume that if words aren't on 
>> > > the tests, then they don't really count. And guess whose words 
>> > > are on the tests? Not the kid in the housing project or barrio.
>> > >
>> > > But I've heard well-regarded university professors refer to the 
>> > > Matthew Effect of rich getting richer and poor getting poorer 
>> > > based on how kids are talked to at home. How many white 
>> > > university researchers--the sort of people who makes these 
>> > > claims--have ever tried to get up a housing project staircase to 
>> > > talk to anyone and see what they're saying and where they learned 
>> > > it from? (I say staircase because when I lived in Chicago, a 
>> > > chronic problem of high rise housing projects was that gangs 
>> > > would disable the elevators as soon as they opened and patrol the 
>> > > lobbies and stairwells to control life in the building.)
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
>> > > xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike 
>> > > xmca-l-bounces+cole
>> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:21 PM
>> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA
>> > >
>> > > Very interesting paper. It is amazing how the culture of poverty 
>> > > has made such a comback.
>> > > mike
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:18 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > thanks!!
>> > > > mike
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Peter Smagorinsky 
>> > > > <smago@uga.edu>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> A lot of pretty smart contributors to this forum. p
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which 
>> > > > makes you see something you weren't noticing which makes you 
>> > > > see something that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs 
>> > > > Through it*
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which 
>> > > makes you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see 
>> > > something that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs 
>> > > Through it*
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes 
>> > you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see 
>> > something that
>> isn't
>> > even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Professor
>> Department of Anthropology
>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>> Brigham Young University
>> Provo, UT 84602
>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes 
> you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something 
> that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
>
>
>


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All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*