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[Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA



I thought this topic was in an exchange between Peter and myself, but glad
to see I was wrong. My own very partial response on this specific issue is
attached. At least its short!
The directly relevant material is the description of the work of bill hall
and colleagues conducted in the 1970's and widely ignored.

The illusion that parent training programs will end poverty is certainly a
powerful one in the United States. At the very least, social scientists can
stop making inequalities worse by misusing the tools of their trade
eggregiously.

mike

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, I recently read Paul Tough's book Whatever it Takes about Geoffrey
> Canada's Harlem Children's Zone. I recall that Hart and Risley's study was
> one among many that were central to Canada's vision of things (and it
> played a very central role in the argument presented in the book).
> I can't help but wonder if this isn't just a way of dealing with the
> problem of fundraising and getting funding.
> Anyone else?
> -greg
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>
> > Mike, help us out with some titles?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 3:16 PM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA
> >
> > did you see my paper on this issue using bill hall's work?
> > Its one of my list of topics lurching along
> >
> > m
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. The "word gap" research has often been conducted using
> > > standardized vocabulary tests that assume that if words aren't on the
> > > tests, then they don't really count. And guess whose words are on the
> > > tests? Not the kid in the housing project or barrio.
> > >
> > > But I've heard well-regarded university professors refer to the
> > > Matthew Effect of rich getting richer and poor getting poorer based on
> > > how kids are talked to at home. How many white university
> > > researchers--the sort of people who makes these claims--have ever
> > > tried to get up a housing project staircase to talk to anyone and see
> > > what they're saying and where they learned it from? (I say staircase
> > > because when I lived in Chicago, a chronic problem of high rise
> > > housing projects was that gangs would disable the elevators as soon as
> > > they opened and patrol the lobbies and stairwells to control life in
> > > the building.)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> > > xmca-l-bounces+smago=uga.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> > > Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:21 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: "Language Gap" forum in JLA
> > >
> > > Very interesting paper. It is amazing how the culture of poverty has
> > > made such a comback.
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:18 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > thanks!!
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> A lot of pretty smart contributors to this forum. p
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
> > > > you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
> > > > that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
> > > you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
> > > that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes you
> > see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something that
> isn't
> > even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
> Brigham Young University
> Provo, UT 84602
> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>



-- 

All there is to thinking is seeing something noticeable which makes
you see something you weren't noticing which makes you see something
that isn't even visible. N. McLean, *A River Runs Through it*

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