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[Xmca-l] Re: Winn's Exploring the Literate Trajectories of Youth across Time and Space



Hello Larry and esteemed others,

I'm wondering if my posts are getting out there? I had offered that there was the possibility of the energetic rewards that come with doing an outside-school, in-the-bookstore activity for the teachers Poppa John and Mamma C? 

I was also unsure of the idea of shattering of boundaries? Is that a fair representation that boundaries are shattered? Can't they just be transforming? Shattering sounds so violent and aggressive. 

Also, Maisha uses the word "trajectories" which suggests to me jumping over boundaries, with a movement upwards, boundaries that (normally) confine or constrain, unless we are to interpret this adjective as a missile going through a wall. 

I didn't ever think that the reason for doing poetry slams was to break down walls in schools, but to raise community awareness and stimulate agency in young people, both which create joyful belonging in a time of their lives when joyful belonging is not present in their educational experiences. This in addition to encouraging them to participate in a river-like tradition of writing and orality among the African diaspora, a tradition which is not a dead thing, but something quite, quite alive.

Joyful belonging is a part of literacy I think, why do we read anything, if not for that?

Kind regards,

Annalisa

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From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 12:25 AM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Winn's Exploring the Literate Trajectories of Youth across Time and Space

Greg McVerry,

I share your wanting to explore what makes these teachers exceptional.  You
repeated Mike's question and I will repeat it again as we need to explore
what "type" or "kind" of situation develops these exceptional teachers [in
and out of school. Greg wrote,

In fact Michael Cole posed these questions after reading Winn’s work:

[How do we] better understand how the special teachers, those who were
involved in  local community literacy practices/values/histories, managed
to include
them in their public high school classrooms with all of the rules,
regulations, standardized testing, etc. that is involved.

Does such boundary shattering require exceptional people?
or perhaps
What are the boundaries to such boundary shattering??

So the question becomes do we need exceptional people [with agentic will
and purpose] that enables the shattering of "boundaries" or do we need
social "situations" that have a certain definition/boundary that "contains"
the energy required to shatter or break through preconceived boundaries.
Another way to discuss "social situations" is to use the concept of
"worlds" that express a "subject matter" that matters.  Winn uses the
metaphor of "spaces" when she asks
"In what spaces do people of African descent engage in literate practices
such as reading, writing, and speaking, beyond school settings?"  Now I ask
if it is "necessary" that these alternative "spaces" of "experiential"
learning may be "necessary" AS MODELS in order for possible "boundary
shattering" in schools.  In other words, there must be alternative "subject
matter that matters" that may be necessary before boundary shattering of
preconceived notions of "formal schooling" becomes possible. This is a
notion of "dialectical" moving reciprocally from the known to unknown AND
from the unknown to the known.
The "known" in this retrospective was honouring "tradition" and expressing
loyalty to "tradition".  Winn asks what are the "salient" characteristics
of these literacy communities that honoured tradition?  The most salient
characteristic is that these literacy communities ARE MEDIATING spaces in
which tradition "speaks" and is performed and it is these "spaces" which
offer the containers/boundaries AS MODELS for  navigating the labyrinths of
preconceived formal schooling.

This focus on honouring what has come before is recognizing a
"historicizing literacy" as another salient characteristic of this
"mediating space". Subject matters that matter emerge within pre-existing
traditions that acknowledge the "textured lives" of our youth. These
salient characteristics are moving beyond the traditional
conceptualizations of literacy to focus on "experiences" of literacy as
encounters with the "subject matter". [that matter to the subjects/youth.
Winn describes these activities as forging collective "third spaces" [page
59] which CULTIVATE literate identities emerging within traditions of
being. These third spaces provide rich historical contexts that are
necessary in Winn's retrospective to accomplish boundary shattering within
formal schooling.

To preserve literate historical communities [as locations of shared
identity] it was necessary to "stage" literate "events" viewed by their
participants as a "mission" that presented subject matter that matters.
Winn is describing the manifestation of a "legacy" of literacy within a
tradition for people of African descent which "inspires" the participants.
Winn chose to begin her retrospective in the 1940's leading up to present
day literacy movements as presentations of subject matter that matters AS
LEGACY. In the exchanging of written and "spoken" words [as sayings]
community institutions are formed that extending the traditons that exist
as "living tradition" and not merely history as the past. THIS is a
diacritical understanding, of tradition as continuing to be 'living'
within current community as democratic engagement.

Poppa John and Mamma C participated passionately and intimately within this
particular "tradition" Was it them as agentic individuals that was
"exceptional" or was it the subject matter that matters that was
"exceptional"? I propose that what is exceptional is to be able to stage
events that keeps this tradition "alive".

To return to Mike's question, it seems that the "salient" characteristics
is to view language and word as expressions of a p articularsubject matter
that matters [is meaningful].  Gadamer would ask "who is doing the
"speaking"? and he would answer it is the subject matter that "speaks"
diacritically through encountering "traditions" that risk our prejudices.
I suggest that it is possible to understand Winn's retrospective as this
type of a quest to honour the tradition/subject matter that speaks through
us. In this speaking "through" the tradition boundaries are shattered and
we can possibly approach the future as continuing to live the truth of our
tradition as empowering the subject matter that matters.
I am aware that my focusing on the term "tradition" will generate a
response and am fully aware of the "shadow side" of tradition as "static"
or "systematic" but I am suggesting there is another way to understand
tradition as expressed in Winn's retrospective reflections on what she has
come to value as developing within a social situation as an intimate third
space of mediation.
Larry





On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Greg Mcverry <jgregmcverry@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Barriers do arise in schools. Many students live behind walls, both real
> and imagined, dictated by the needs that survival necessitates.
>
> Words and meaning have power,  and this makes learning a political act.
> School should never be *done* to students rather students should*do* their
> learning on to the world.
>
> I truly believe we have education backwards. We strive for college and
> career readiness hoping to grow GDP with a flow of technical workers as
> means for civic contribution. Instead we should worry first about community
> and civic readiness. Then, and only then, will college and career follow
> for those who have been robbed of their agency and culture.
>
> When students leave schools wanting to make communities a better place they
> engage in literacy practices steeped in academic discourse. When kids see
> how they can “get theres” by being an agent in the world many realize life
> requires learning beyond high school.
>
> Community, as a thread, permeates Maisha Winn’s retrospective on her
> research. In Exploring the Literate Trajectories of Youth Across Time and
> Space <http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/10749039.2014.990037> Winn described a
> series of ethnographic studies that draw heavily on the socio-cultural work
> of Heath and the literacy as action found in the work of Cole, Gutierrez,
> Lunsford,  Smagorinsky, Street, and many more. Winn first described out of
> school spaces for learning and then either found similar spaces or  applied
> these lessons to more formal learning spaces.
> African Diaspora Participatory Literacy Communities
>
> Winn describes African Diaspora Participatory Literacy Communities to
> encapsulate the poet cafes and bookstores she studies:
>
> ADPLCs, as literacy or literary-centered events outside of school and work
> communities that combined oral, aural, and written traditions through an
> exchange of words, sounds, and movements that privileged a Black aesthetic
>
> She then describe many of the tenants of learning found in socio-cultural
> views of learning. Lately, and I think too often removed (or maybe all
> inclusiveO from their theoretical base, this framework has been
> labeled connected
> learning <http://connectedlearning.tv/>. It is interesting to see Winn
> draw
> on many of the same principles.
>
> Winn’s  description of learning matches Gee’s adaptation of Community
> into Affinity
> Spaces. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_space>
>
> Like other open mics, POSA, is an invitation to both novice and seasoned
> poets to share their writing in a space that promotes reading, writing,
> thinking, and activism, as well as collabo- ration among elders and
> children. V.S. Chochezi and Staajabu, the mother daughter poetry duo also
> known as Straight Out Scribes (SOS), begin with saying “hello,” in several
> languages punctuated with a decidedly urbanized “What’s up!”
>
> She draws Gutierrez’s ( 2008 ):
>
> concept of “sociocritical literacy”—that is a “historicizing literacy” that
> privileges the lived experiences and legacies of participants—provided the
> much needed space to analyze the activities of both classes against the
> backdrop of a history of Black poets and writers.
>
> This notion of learning as a sense of community around a shared purpose was
> traced back to The Black Arts Movement which
>
> unapologetically sought to incorporate a Black aesthetic into visual and
> performing arts along side the Black Power Movement, which advocated
> self-determination and self-definition among Black Americans
>
> What is interesting is this Black aesthetic, as of all  American History
> greatly influences our cultures. You see this in the rise of hip hop
> culture. I actually stumbled into a similar space for learning in
> Cambridge, MA.
> <http://jgregorymcverry.com/mnli13-day-3-reflection-coding-community/>
>
> What made the ADPLC a space where learning thrived was community and a
> shared purpose.
> Poppa Joe and Mamma C
>
> Winn then described a few formal learning places that drew from the same
> history and values of the out of school places. Once again community came
> first.
>
> When describing one classroom Winn wrote:
>
> These student poets used the Power Writing circle to build community while
> reading original compositions aloud in an open mic format, much like the
> venues I observed in Northern California, and engaging in giving and
> receiving feedback. In the context of these literacy communities, Poppa Joe
> and his guest teachers taught by modeling.
>
> Culturally responsive classrooms were also central to the Winn’s thesis.
> Yet she noted these were often hardest for classrooms. Winn and Latrise P.
> Johnson explored culturally relevant pedagogy. They describe how it means
> much more then reading a book with a black kid on the cover.In fact Winn
> notes that the most successful spaces drew on student lives:
>
> used the material of students’ lived experiences, such as disproportionate
> contact with law enforcement and police brutality, as resources for rich
> dialogue and their struggle to translate the dialogue into writing
>
> As Peter Samgorinsky pointed out recently on the XMCA listserv this work
> reflects recent scholarship by David Kirkland
> <http://twitter.com/davidekirkland> who detailed the many powerful ways
> black youth challenge dominant narratives.
>
> Winn points out that it is the arts that are the dominant path to having
> students write their own story on to the world. She noted:
>
> I also learned how theater arts builds community and supports marginalized
> youth as they build and sustain literate identities.
>
> Learning from Winn
>
> Literacy instruction is identity work. It is political. The question was
> posed on the XMCA listserv about recreating these experiences in the
> classroom.
>
> Anna Aguilar noted a memory of a teacher creating a Zine. Smagorinsky
> stressed the role of coaches. I couldn’t agree more. We need to realign
> schools so that students are empowered by designing the community. I was
> intrigued by this idea in the listserv:
>
>  For Ilyenkov, language is not the ideal, but its ‘objectified being’, its
> material form. The ideal does not exist in language for Ilyenkov, or in
> other material phenomena, but in forms of human activity.
>
> In many ways writing instruction must be attached to a human activity.
> Technically it already is an activity but it is one students are forced
> into and motivated by exploring new identities in memes or engaging in
> coaching relationships such as in Soccer.
>
> In fact Michael Cole posed these questions after reading Winn’s work:
>
> [How do we] better understand how the special teachers, those who were
> involved in
> local community literacy practices/values/histories, managed to include
> them in their public high school classrooms with all of the rules,
> regulations, standardized testing, etc. that is involved.
>
> Does such boundary shattering require exceptional people?
> or perhaps
>
> What are the boundaries to such boundary shattering??
>
> Community Matters
>
> These efforts do take exceptional people. They also require us to challenge
> the boundaries, such as limited views of literacy.
>
> Our fascination with accountability reform is at the heart of ripping away
> what Winn values. Kirkland, as Peter points out, notes how limited
> assessments of what counts help to dissuade youth as school is done to the
> them.
>
> Winn wants learning done onto the world. As Michael Glassman (again on the
> XMCA listerv) noted Papa Joe and Mamma C did more than teach language arts.
> We must recognize community where ever it exists.
> <
> http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2015/how-we-misrepresent-the-school-security-guard
> >
>
> Another barrier arose around accountability based reform and that is the
> removal of the arts from schools. Content rich instruction and arts that
> allow students to do the identity work necessary to be civic and community
> ready.
>
> Can these exceptional teachers exist. Yes. Are they rare. Yes, that is the
> definition of exceptional. Are they only found in school? No.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:51 PM Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu> wrote:
>
> > Well, ed schools are pretty disputatious places, so I'd never say that
> > there's an orthodoxy to follow. I'd agree with your situated perspective,
> > even as the world of ed psych still appears to operate between the ears.
> > There are teachers who import all sorts of interesting possibilities into
> > their classrooms, even with all the oppressive testing and centralized
> > curricula that assume that all kids' minds have the same architecture
> (that
> > might be the wrong word, since it might come across as static--other
> terms
> > welcome).
> >
> > Hoping for others to weigh in. p
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> > mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 5:28 PM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Winn's Exploring the Literate Trajectories of Youth
> > across Time and Space
> >
> > Peter-
> >
> > At first I didn't get at all what the connection between the discussion
> of
> > Ilyenkov and Maisha's work, but I think its a great idea to discuss the
> > question you pose. Is "literacy" idealized differently in the two
> > communities of practice (school and outside-school)? I have difficulty
> > keeping straight with ideas such as "subjective image of reality" but
> there
> > seems to be little doubt that there are different values being embodied
> in
> > standard school literacy practices and the multi-modal,
> multi-generational
> > practices in the sites that Maisha describes. Seems like this could be a
> > useful lens for addressing my question about
> how.when.under-what-conditions
> > the practices and associated values of an evening get together at a
> > community center can be at least part of a high school educational
> > curriculum.
> >
> > Only sometimes under special conditions seems to be the answer. Is that
> > answer accepted in Ed schools these days?
> >
> > mike
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Peter Smagorinsky <smago@uga.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > > OK, I hit send accidentally. To continue:
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Peter Smagorinsky
> > > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 4:02 PM
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: RE: [Xmca-l] Re: Winn's Exploring the Literate Trajectories
> > > of Youth across Time and Space
> > >
> > > I'm going to do some exploratory thinking here, so please pardon the
> > > half-baked nature of what follows (half-baked is a long-time value on
> > > xmca in its embrace of thoughts in emergent process).
> > >
> > > Winn's article has gotten little traction as a discussion topic, so
> > > I'll combine it with something that's gotten even less attention, an
> > > article that someone (Annalisa, I think) sent awhile back and that I'm
> > > re-attaching here.
> > >
> > > I'm focusing on the early section about Ilyenkov's notion of the
> > > ideal, which I can't say I completely grasp. So please bear with me as
> > > I grope my way through this effort to link the two articles. I'll
> > > paste in the section of the attachment that I see as potentially, if
> > > I'm getting this right, helpful in understanding Winn's essay:
> > >
> > > Although there is a considerable literature in the West that focuses
> > > on the rôle of language in the social production of consciousness,
> > > what sets Ilyenkov apart is his distinction between language and the
> > > ideal. For Ilyenkov, language is not the ideal, but its ‘objectified
> > > being’,27 its material form. he ideal does not exist in language for
> > > Ilyenkov, or in other material phenomena, but in forms of human
> > > activity. His entry on the ideal in the 1962 encyclopædia-article
> > > defines it as ‘the subjective image of objective reality, i.e. a
> > > reflection of the external world in forms of human activity, in forms
> > > of its consciousness and will’.28 One can think of the ideal as the
> > > significance that matter assumes in the process of its transformation
> > > by human activity. In other words, it is only in-and-through human
> > > activity that matter takes on the character of an object with
> > significance.
> > > To be clear, Ilyenkov was not referring only to parts of the material
> > > world that individuals directly transform, but to all matter that
> > > society comes ‘in contact’
> > > with. Idealisation is, for
> > > him, a social phenomenon. In the same encyclopædia-entry, he wrote:
> > > An ideal image, say of bread, may arise in the imagination of a hungry
> > > man or of a baker. In the head of a satiated man occupied with
> > > building a house, ideal bread does not arise. But if we take society
> > > as a whole, ideal bread and ideal houses are always in existence, as
> > > well as any ideal object with which humanity is concerned in the
> > > process of production and reproduction of its real, material life.
> > > his
> > > includes the ideal sky, as an object of astronomy, as a ‘natural
> > > calendar’, a clock, and compass. In consequence of that, all of nature
> > > is idealised in humanity and not just that part which it immediately
> > > produces or reproduces or consumes in a practical way.29
> > > >From this perspective, all matter appears in individual consciousness
> > > already transformed
> > > and idealised by the activity of previous generations, and this ideal
> > > informs the individual’s activity in the present.
> > >
> > > OK, back to me. What I'm wondering is this: Is "literacy" idealized
> > > differently in the two communities of practice (school and
> > outside-school)?
> > > In school, at least formally, literacy is idealized as the "proper"
> > > use of language in textual production and composition, with only the
> > > most formal versions acceptable as evidence of literate performance.
> > > Adherence to formal rules is the only way to meet the scholastic
> > > ideal. At the same time, as soon as kids leave class and go into the
> > > hall, other ideals become available, at least for 5 minutes of passing
> > time.
> > >
> > > Outside school, the whole world of literacy possibilities become
> > > available, with many ideals to guide production. The discourse genres
> > > that govern spoken word performances for the communities of practice
> > > that Winn focuses on are one possibility, but there are countless
> > > possibilities that suit different trajectories.
> > >
> > > Well, hope that makes some sense. I'm entirely open to the possibility
> > > that I've misunderstood Ilyenkov in seeking a way to understand him
> > > via Winn. As we say in the South: What do y'all think? p
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Each new level of development is a new relevant context." C.H.
> Waddington
> >
> >
>