[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
[Xmca-l] Re: Why Computers Make So Little Difference
- To: Andy Blunden <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <email@example.com>
- Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Why Computers Make So Little Difference
- From: Huw Lloyd <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 01:00:39 +0000
- In-reply-to: <5500DEAD.email@example.com>
- List-archive: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/private/xmca-l>
- List-help: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org?subject=help>
- List-id: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l.mailman.ucsd.edu>
- List-post: <mailto:email@example.com>
- List-subscribe: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca-l>, <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org?subject=subscribe>
- List-unsubscribe: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca-l>, <mailto:email@example.com?subject=unsubscribe>
- References: <CACwG6DuaSNhj0x6wh_TWRdjo6PFi8oo1ZZD6k04zfv+mYa2F4A@mail.gmail.com> <3B91542B0D4F274D871B38AA48E991F9A48526@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <3B91542B0D4F274D871B38AA48E991F9A48771@CIO-KRC-D1MBX04.osuad.osu.edu> <CACwG6DvJ4qXkzHWtO93RcLANWHH9uQHZiS=jcaxaJAxuJq6qXA@mail.gmail.com> <1E395E74-78F5-4896-A9C6-64D5D753D2BA@uniandes.edu.co> <CACwG6DsYHcGgN0RVYf4xL69E2SSH00gAKfFDpVC=2pE111c1FQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAHVJfHM2rG7OOSXWg0ajXqywUkqGLQoXApbi24YQOabYK4AR4Q@mail.gmail.com> <email@example.com> <CAHCnM0Bdy7Mrme0X_-K7+mfucXUYOEYhpCFeO-M+uHRGPeDWpA@mail.gmail.com> <CAG1MBOEy8Pmv1JyEPYaz5dSVgVK9QYbR_oLm1wH4+_a6HZk4hQ@mail.gmail.com> <5500DEAD.firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Reply-to: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <email@example.com>
- Sender: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Unfortunately that seems to tie in with my view that civilisation is the
open regard for others and appreciation for the power of objective systems
in contradistinction to bureaucratic power. I shall reflect on that.
On 12 March 2015 at 00:32, Andy Blunden <email@example.com> wrote:
> So true, Huw!
> I think it deserves some reflection among CHAT theorists who take an
> interest in cultural development that when a non-literate community comes
> into contact with "civilisation" they actually meet two different things
> for the first time.
> (1) They come into contact with *civilisation*, a.k.a. institutions which
> have developed culture with the aid of the written word, and the
> interaction between the written word and technique, and the immensely
> productive spiral of development which has given us Mozart, Beethoven,
> Darwin, Einstein, and Harpo Marx. That is dialectical logic.
> (2) They come into contact with *bureaucracy*, which in its mission to
> manage the collective lives of very large numbers of people, has utilised
> the written word to break down the true concepts created by the culture
> into neat little pigeon holes for filing away, and is dedicated to
> inculcating the minds of our children into thinking in terms of taxonomy,
> rather than true concepts. That is formal logic.
> I think there is a lot of confusion between civilisation and bureaucracy,
> and consequently between true concepts (which nonliterate people have,
> albeit within a limited scope of experience) and pseudoconcepts (which are
> the great love of bureaucracy, the commercial world and positivist science.)
> *Andy Blunden*
> Huw Lloyd wrote:
>> The impression that I have of our collectively western society is that it
>> is utterly swamped in formal logic and its mode of operation. Our schools
>> and universities are probably the worst of all in this regard, such that
>> even raising the notion of schooling based upon creative understanding
>> seems to bewilder people (and small wonder that innovators in logic were
>> also technical innovators, because it is necessary to create and design in
>> order to learn how to think).