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[Xmca-l] Re: Reference data bases



Most reference managers can handle that easily with tags and/or groups. I now exactly sure what more I want, but I think it would include notes about each reference.  And also meta-notes, not attached to a specific reference but to a whole net.

What would other people want?

Martin

On Jan 30, 2015, at 10:16 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:

> The video suggests it permits the user to organise annotations so that they
> are related to each other by virtue of their shared categories (folders).
> Is that all that is required?
> 
> On 30 January 2015 at 12:23, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
> wrote:
> 
>> Huw,
>> 
>> Take a look at Docear, which is a combination reference manager and
>> mind-mapper. I can never get it to work, but it's one model.
>> 
>> Martin
>> 
>> On Jan 30, 2015, at 6:32 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 30 January 2015 at 01:53, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Go for it, Huw! Set up one of those start-up sites and see what you can
>>>> raise. When you become part of the 1% do we get a %? :-))))
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> With some of both the world's top 1% cultural psychologists and the
>> world's
>>> top 1% programmers for acquaintances, what could possibly go wrong?
>>> 
>>> Huw
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> mike
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Martin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you have something specific in mind and you're able to pool a large
>>>>> source of (presumably frustrated) donors, then I could write/produce it
>>>> for
>>>>> you all.  Part of the issue, as I see it, is that everything is related
>>>> to
>>>>> everything else.  So the issue becomes how things are related not that
>>>> they
>>>>> are related.  On a similar theme I am thinking of starting up an
>>>>> educational news website, because there is so much trash around and so
>>>>> much bureaucracy in and around traditional education.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Huw
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 January 2015 at 17:06, Martin John Packer <
>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Simply that BookEnds is much better!  I used EndNotes for years, and
>> it
>>>>>> was clunky and its developers upgraded it very slowly. Perhaps it has
>>>> now
>>>>>> improved...  BooksEnds is very stable, it handles over 11,000
>>>> references
>>>>>> quickly, it can insert citations into a text with a single key-press,
>>>>> it's
>>>>>> possible to read and annotate a pdf, and create notes, all within the
>>>>>> program. It automatically finds citation data from Google Scholar and
>>>>>> elsewhere. One can add tags and create groups easily. And, as I said,
>>>> it
>>>>>> will generate bibliographies virtually instantaneously in APA and many
>>>>>> other formats.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, Greg, do you know of anything that would build a semantic
>>>>>> network? BookEnds creates a tag cloud from selected references, which
>>>> one
>>>>>> can then dig down into. But that's not quite what I'm looking for.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Greg Thompson <
>> greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh, and all three of the ones I mentioned have the ability to easily
>>>>>>> cite-while-you-write and to automatically create bibliographies.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin, do you have any thoughts for why BookEnds over Endnote?
>>>>>>> -greg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Greg Thompson <
>>>>>> greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just talking this over with my students yesterday.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Endnote is probably the most common utility. Here is a link:
>>>>>>>> http://endnote.com/product-details
>>>>>>>> Intro and training videos for endnote can be found here:
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/user/EndNoteTraining
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mendeley has a very friendly interface for reading and marking up
>>>>> pdf's.
>>>>>>>> You can store pdf's on your device or you can store them in the
>>>> cloud
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>> monthly fee.
>>>>>>>> http://www.mendeley.com/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Zotero is, I think, particularly easy to use if you are just looking
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> an easy way to cite-while-you-write (the others have this capability
>>>>>> too),
>>>>>>>> but you have to use Mozilla in order to use it:
>>>>>>>> https://www.zotero.org/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There are other more stripped-down versions like Refworks, but for
>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> you want to do I'm guessing that Endnote is probably what you want.
>>>> It
>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> looks like X7 version has cloud sharing too so you can store your
>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>> library in the cloud and access it anywhere and even share it with
>>>> up
>>>>>> to 12
>>>>>>>> people! Mike, since you are a man on the move, I think you could
>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> take advantage of that...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -greg
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:30 AM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dear Colleagues  -  In working through a recent review paper, I
>>>> began
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> experience severe difficulties in keeping track of pdfs in
>>>> connection
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the refs.  Are there any recommendations among you for a reliable,
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> large (able to take several thousand refs/pdfs)
>>>>>>>>> utility that a non-adept could use effectively? I imagine others
>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> a similar question.... or will have soon enough!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help on this.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mike
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science as
>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> object
>>>>>>>>> that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>>>>>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>>>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>>>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>>>>>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
>>>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>>>> Department of Anthropology
>>>>>>> 880 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
>>>>>>> Brigham Young University
>>>>>>> Provo, UT 84602
>>>>>>> http://byu.academia.edu/GregoryThompson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science as an
>> object
>>>> that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>