[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]
[Xmca-l] Re: Shpet & principium cognescenti
- To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Shpet & principium cognescenti
- From: Andy Blunden <email@example.com>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:47:27 +1100
- In-reply-to: <CAHCnM0D5Xquy+8sRORKNrsZRaeaRLtLwhtPKqVOEZLDifvdyMA@mail.gmail.com>
- List-archive: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/private/xmca-l>
- List-help: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org?subject=help>
- List-id: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l.mailman.ucsd.edu>
- List-post: <mailto:email@example.com>
- List-subscribe: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca-l>, <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org?subject=subscribe>
- List-unsubscribe: <https://mailman.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca-l>, <mailto:email@example.com?subject=unsubscribe>
- References: <CAG1MBOFqHvyvFpULVdaZHXb08TPcx6T990LYKjXfhYzkTL955A@mail.gmail.com> <CAHCnM0D5Xquy+8sRORKNrsZRaeaRLtLwhtPKqVOEZLDifvdyMA@mail.gmail.com>
- Reply-to: <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <email@example.com>
- Sender: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- User-agent: Thunderbird 220.127.116.11 (Windows/20090812)
Apparently these principium triad comes from the Theologian Hermann
Bavinck: all knowledge begins with God, and via the Scriptures, man can
make it his own knowledge.
But in line with Mike's observation, I well remember the perezhivanie I
had when a friend pointed out the parallels between the Marxist
conception of primitive communism - civilization - socialist society,
and not just the Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden, but a half a dozen
narratives or our own time. Paralleled by the perezhivanie I had when I
read that for Spinoza, "God" meant Nature (including humanity).
Nonetheless, despite the humbling symmetry between the great world
theories, we all signal our allegiance to this one or that one by the
names we give to the One (God, Nature, matter, Allah, Spirit, ...) and
the Triad and in the case cited, Vygotsky is using a famous Hegelian
version of the triad, "in itself, for others, for itself":
"The education and instruction of a child aim at making him actually
and for himself what he is at first only potentially and therefore
for others, viz., for his grown up friends. The Reason, which at
first exists in the child only as an inner possibility, is
actualised through education: and conversely, the child by these
means becomes conscious that the goodness, religion, and science
which he had at first looked upon as an outward authority, are his
Although the symmetry between the systems of thought we unkowingly
affiliate to is surprising, we all declare our affiliation by the name
we give to the One or the Triad, as the case may be. In the article
Larry cites, however, Zinchenko just seems to be chiding Vygotsky
repeatedly for failing to adhere to analytical Dualism.
mike cole wrote:
I can try an answer, Huw. These idea of a triadic system, spirals of
are core metaphors for expressing some sort of thirdness about human life.
Father/son and holy ghost, id/ego/superego, subject/object/medium etc. It
is a part of the Judeo-Christian system and aligns with non-religiously
affiliated intuitions that dualism does not cut it as a mode of thought.
The trouble is, there are only two kinds of people in the world....
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Huw Lloyd <email@example.com>
There seems to be a clear parallel between Vygotsky's use of the
formulation "in itself, for others, for itself" and Shpet's referencing
theological principium cognescenti which according to my brief browsing are
principium essendi, principium cognoscendi externum, principium cognoscendi
Is anyone here familiar with the etymology of these principles and their
bearing on Vygotsky's work? Is there more than a superficial resemblance?