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[Xmca-l] Re: sense, meaning and inner aspect of word

Martin, Andy
A question I am left with is that on the one hand "meaning" is the more
stable generalizable aspect and sense is the more encompassing phenomena
[as I read Andy's post] whereas on the other hand as Vladimir Zinchenko
argues the relation is more reciprocal and sense permeates or "infuses"
meaning and equally meaning permeates or "infuses" sense. [the Mobius strip

In Zinchenko's use of the metaphor of the triangle, we can put the terms
 word, action, and image in each corner of the triangle. The question
Zinchenko asks is which of these processes  is at the apex mediating the
other two,  Zinchenko asks us to imagine a rotating triangle where any one
of the three processes can be imagined mediating the other two and the
circling  rotation of the triangle implies action infusing image and word,
AND implies  image infusing action and word AND implying the word infuses
action and image.  What is at the apex is a fluid flowing interrelationship.

I hope I am understanding Zinchenko as he intended.  What is clear is that
both Vygotsky and Zinchenko and Shpet were concerned with word meaning and
inner form


On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
> wrote:

> On Jan 27, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> > I did a search on "Thinking and Speech" for all the uses of the word
> "inner". 283 of the 329 of them are "inner speech" and all the others are
> referring to mental or psychological, and then there's "inner aspect of a
> word."
> Without wanting to get blokey, it seems to me that these paragraphs in
> Chapter One of T&L are very clear:
> "However, what is such a unit, which cannot be further resolved and in
> which are inherently contained the properties in verbal thinking as whole?
> To us it seems that this unit can be found in the internal [inner,
> interior] aspect [side] of the word [внутренней стороне слова], in its
> meaning [значении].
> "This inner side [внутренняя сторона] of the word, until now, has hardly
> undergone any special studies. Word meaning [Значение слова] was dissolved
> in the sea of all the other conceptions (представлений, predstavleniĭ) of
> our consciousness or all other acts (актов, acts) of our thinking, just as
> sound, torn from meaning [значения], was dissolved in the sea of all of
> those remaining sounds existing in nature. Therefore in exactly the same
> way that, with respect to the sound of human speech, contemporary
> psychology cannot say anything which would be specific to the sound of
> human speech as such, so too psychology in the field of the study of verbal
> meaning [словесного значения] cannot say anything besides the facts that
> characterize in identical measure verbal meaning [словесное значение] and
> all the other ideas and thoughts [представления и мысли] of our
> consciousness.
> "Thus the matter proceeded in associative psychology, and so, in general,
> it proceeds in contemporary structural psychology. In the word we always
> recognize only one side, that which is turned towards us. The other, the
> inside, has ever remained and remains today unstudied and unknown as the
> other side of the moon. Meanwhile it is precisely in this, the other side,
> that the possibility lies of resolving the problems that interest us
> concerning the relation of thinking and speech, for it is precisely here,
> in word meaning [значении слова], that we find tied together the knot of
> that unity [завязан узел того единства] that we call verbal thinking
> [речевым мышлением]."
> Martin