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[Xmca-l] Re: Not too long and not too short



A message of mine crossed yours, Aria.
I fully agree with the sentitments you expressed.
mike

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Aria Razfar <arazfar@uic.edu> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I'm glad you contextualized your remarks regarding regulating word lengths
> and flip remarks. The self-regulating policy is much better. I don't think
> we can brush it off with a flip "whatever" though. From what I could see,
> Annalisa was clearly hurt by the very public corrective action and
> discussion of policy that appeared to single her out. I feel somewhat
> responsible for engaging one of her very long posts, which I appreciated. I
> think the right thing to do, and this should be noted for the future, is to
> handle such "corrections" in private, especially with newcomers. Annalisa,
> if our words, actions were in anyway hurtful please forgive us.
>
> Aria
>
> Aria Razfar, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Literacy, Language, and Culture
> Director of Graduate Studies, Curriculum and Instruction
> University of Illinois at Chicago
> 1040 W. Harrison St. M/C 147
> Chicago, IL, 60607
>
> Director of English Learning through Mathematics, Science and Action
> Research (ELMSA)
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of mike cole
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:39 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Not too long and not too short
>
> ​Seems like matters of message length will be regulated by conventions
> established by those who post, don't post, delete, read, ignore or
> participate. My "too long" comment was not original with me. It was made
> earlier and i (mistakenly) thought had been accepted as conventional.
> Clearly wrong! The too short came because I was feeling badly by a
> too-short message I had sent earlier and was totally confused by a message
> that was too short for me to know the reference and it turned out to be a
> response that pertained to something I had written (or at least I think so).
>
> Seems like no cure. But I have my handy delete key at the ready, along
> with a key inscribed with a ?  :-)
>
> Rob-- I believe we are past the "its broken, fix it" discussion into the
> "its fine but it could be even finer" phase. By my reckoning, the
> incremental changes that have been undertaken lately, such as Annalisa's
> suggestion for a newcomers page, and the (I think!) agreement to try to
> keep threads as continuous as possible have been productive. At least I
> find navigation easier and appreciate explicit cross referencing such as
> David's discussion of imagination in the math in russia thread.
>
> In short
>
> Whatever!
> mike
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:44 AM, Glassman, Michael <glassman.13@osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > I definitely agree that it should be place based space vs. cyberspace
> > rather than real space vs. cyberspace.  I would also say that most
> > successful online endeavors are not transfers of place based
> > activities to cyberspace - cyberspace activities are unique
> > activities.  Most successful virtual communities - and I feel
> > comfortable saying I would consider lchc/xmca one of the more
> > successful virtual communities/educational platforms in the short
> > history of the Internet (really somebody should do a dissertation
> > and/or write an article for WIRED on the listserv) - generally limit
> > posts to approximately 20 lines.  This is generally (almost always)
> > what works for communities based on Bulletin Board System/conference
> > communities which I think xmca is.  Psychological reasons for this - I
> > don't know, but there are definitely structural reasons which I won't
> > go into (because it would shine a light on my own hypocrisy).  If you
> > move past that you are generally into another form of Internet posting -
> basically long form blogging.  There are community blogging communities but
> > xmca does not use that type of platform.    In the time I have been on
> xmca
> > there have been a few people who regularly posted very long messages
> > but these were trusted users - this is not a title bestowed on anybody
> > - it is a part of any successful virtual community and is part of
> > overt or natural systems of online governance - lchc/xmca has always
> > used an organic form of governance - don't ask me how that comes
> > about, I also don't know, but I would point you to Howard Rheingold's
> > writing on the WELL (Whole Earth Lectronic Link).  This does not mean
> > people should count their lines (which like an idiot I just did) but
> > that the one screen rule is not arbitrary but may be instrumental for
> the community.
> >
> > Happy Holidays
> >
> > Michael (No the name does not count as a line!!!)
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> > [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf of Annalisa Aguilar
> > [annalisa@unm.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 8:27 PM
> > To: Andy Blunden; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Not too long and not too short
> >
> > Andy,
> >
> > My conception would be meaning-making, which is all and none of the
> above.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Annalisa
> >
> >     > a kind of scientific symposium or maybe a conference?
> >     > or an after dinner conversation? (or maybe a staffroom
> conversation)?
> >     > a formal decision making meeting, where we address the Chair,
> > make amendments, etc.?
> >     > a Occupy-type general meeting?
> >
> > > Or is "none of the above" the only answer?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with an
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
>
>
>


-- 
It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with an
object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.