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[Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology



Well, flies often fly in rings (smile).

Ed

On Dec 17, 2014, at  3:35 PM, Martin John Packer wrote:

> Well, in both cases they were trying to identify the basic principles in a specific area of knowledge: physics in one case, math the other.
> 
> And both Chomsky and Husserl were trying to locate their respective projects in a history of rationalist thinking about the nature of mind. 
> 
> But I take your point. There's not much similarity between 'Lord of the Rings' and 'Lord of the Flies.' 
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> Or is there...?
> 
> :)
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 4:12 PM, Ed Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Russell & Whitehead (and Wittgensten) wrote Principia Mathematica and Newton wrote Principia Mathematica. That there is a resemblance, in many ways, doesn't necessarily follow.
>> 
>> Ed
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at  12:39 PM, Martin John Packer wrote:
>> 
>>> Chomsky wrote a book called 'Cartesian Linguistics.'
>>> 
>>> Husserl wrote one called 'Cartesian Meditations'!
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe <pmocombe@mocombeian.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Vera,
>>>> 
>>>> When you say chomsky is a Cartesian are you saying he is a rationalist in the kantian camp?  Chomsky refers to himself and his efforts as kantian.  By no means would i call kant a Cartesian.  I would call Husserl a Cartesian? But not Kant and Chomsky. ..see the video below:
>>>> 
>>>> Watch "Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…" on YouTube
>>>> Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…: http://youtu.be/3LqUA7W9wfg 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
>>>> President
>>>> The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc.
>>>> www.mocombeian.com 
>>>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com 
>>>> www.paulcmocombe.info 
>>>> 
>>>> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Vera John-Steiner <vygotsky@unm.edu> </div><div>Date:12/17/2014  12:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology </div><div>
>>>> </div>While Chomsky is indeed very influential his approach to language and its
>>>> acquisition is opposite to that of Vygotsky. He focuses on syntax while
>>>> Vygotsky focuses on semantics.
>>>> He proposes an innate language acquisition device while Vygotsky approaches
>>>> language developmentally. (I am repeating some of Carol's points.) He is a
>>>> Cartesian,while Vygotsky
>>>> Opposed mind/body dualism. And the list goes on.
>>>> I don't think he can be integrated into CHAT.
>>>> Vera
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>>>> [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37 AM
>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology
>>>> 
>>>> Do you think Chomsky knows he is? Howard Gardner is a very generous fellow.
>>>> 
>>>> On 17 December 2014 at 16:28, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> oh, I just read your second paragraph...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Howard Gardner lists Noam Chomsky as one of the "founders of cognitive 
>>>>> science," along with Jerome Bruner, John McCarthy, George Miller, and 
>>>>> Allen Newell (1985, p. 23).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gardner, H. (1985). The mind's new science: A history of the cognitive 
>>>>> revolution. New York: Basic Books.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well yes, and as linguistic and psychology student I was very proud 
>>>>>> of
>>>>> him
>>>>>> for his review, it made me laugh and laugh.  But Chomsky never read
>>>>> Piaget
>>>>>> or Vygotsky.  He would have been interested in Vygotsky's 
>>>>>> interpretation
>>>>> of
>>>>>> Behaviousrism.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As to cognitive psychology - well I suppose we should be pleased, 
>>>>>> but Chomsky had no direct hand in that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carol.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17 December 2014 at 14:49, Martin John Packer <
>>>>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chomsky knew enough about psychology to write a devastating review of
>>>> B.
>>>>>>> F. Skinner's book 'Verbal behavior,' which still makes very 
>>>>>>> interesting reading. And Chomsky's own book 'Syntactic Structures' 
>>>>>>> was one of the
>>>>> key
>>>>>>> components in the emergence of cognitive psychology in the late 
>>>>>>> 1950s,
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> Howard Gardner's book makes clear.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>>>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
>>>>>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
>>>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
>>>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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