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[Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology



Russell & Whitehead (and Wittgensten) wrote Principia Mathematica and Newton wrote Principia Mathematica. That there is a resemblance, in many ways, doesn't necessarily follow.

Ed

On Dec 17, 2014, at  12:39 PM, Martin John Packer wrote:

> Chomsky wrote a book called 'Cartesian Linguistics.'
> 
> Husserl wrote one called 'Cartesian Meditations'!
> 
> Martin
> 
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe <pmocombe@mocombeian.com> wrote:
> 
>> Vera,
>> 
>> When you say chomsky is a Cartesian are you saying he is a rationalist in the kantian camp?  Chomsky refers to himself and his efforts as kantian.  By no means would i call kant a Cartesian.  I would call Husserl a Cartesian? But not Kant and Chomsky. ..see the video below:
>> 
>> Watch "Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…" on YouTube
>> Noam Chomsky - Ideas of Chomsky BBC Interview (fu…: http://youtu.be/3LqUA7W9wfg 
>> 
>> 
>> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
>> President
>> The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc.
>> www.mocombeian.com 
>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com 
>> www.paulcmocombe.info 
>> 
>> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Vera John-Steiner <vygotsky@unm.edu> </div><div>Date:12/17/2014  12:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "'eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity'" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu> </div><div>Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology </div><div>
>> </div>While Chomsky is indeed very influential his approach to language and its
>> acquisition is opposite to that of Vygotsky. He focuses on syntax while
>> Vygotsky focuses on semantics.
>> He proposes an innate language acquisition device while Vygotsky approaches
>> language developmentally. (I am repeating some of Carol's points.) He is a
>> Cartesian,while Vygotsky
>> Opposed mind/body dualism. And the list goes on.
>> I don't think he can be integrated into CHAT.
>> Vera
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
>> [mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Macdonald
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37 AM
>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Chomsky, Vygotsky, and phenomenology
>> 
>> Do you think Chomsky knows he is? Howard Gardner is a very generous fellow.
>> 
>> On 17 December 2014 at 16:28, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> oh, I just read your second paragraph...
>>> 
>>> Howard Gardner lists Noam Chomsky as one of the "founders of cognitive 
>>> science," along with Jerome Bruner, John McCarthy, George Miller, and 
>>> Allen Newell (1985, p. 23).
>>> 
>>> Gardner, H. (1985). The mind's new science: A history of the cognitive 
>>> revolution. New York: Basic Books.
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well yes, and as linguistic and psychology student I was very proud 
>>>> of
>>> him
>>>> for his review, it made me laugh and laugh.  But Chomsky never read
>>> Piaget
>>>> or Vygotsky.  He would have been interested in Vygotsky's 
>>>> interpretation
>>> of
>>>> Behaviousrism.
>>>> 
>>>> As to cognitive psychology - well I suppose we should be pleased, 
>>>> but Chomsky had no direct hand in that.
>>>> 
>>>> Carol.
>>>> 
>>>> On 17 December 2014 at 14:49, Martin John Packer <
>>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chomsky knew enough about psychology to write a devastating review of
>> B.
>>>>> F. Skinner's book 'Verbal behavior,' which still makes very 
>>>>> interesting reading. And Chomsky's own book 'Syntactic Structures' 
>>>>> was one of the
>>> key
>>>>> components in the emergence of cognitive psychology in the late 
>>>>> 1950s,
>>> as
>>>>> Howard Gardner's book makes clear.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>>>> Developmental psycholinguist
>>>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
>>>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
>> Developmental psycholinguist
>> Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
>> Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>> 
>> 
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