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[Xmca-l] Re: Genetics, internalization, biology, and Vygotsky

I am late to this, but I just read the letter about Freire and two views on concentizacao proffered by Robert. I have been wondering about how indigeneity plays into this thread that Paul initiated. I live in New Mexico, where there are a lot of Native Americans.

> On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Robert Lake <boblake@georgiasouthern.edu> wrote:
> Dear Paul,
> While I cannot address the theocratic aspect of vital question, I do not
> believe that democracy is only for Eurocentric societies but where ever it
> is a viable reality, it must come from within. Dewey was certainly
> thinking  about this when he said that "*democracy must be born anew in
> every generation, and education is its midwife*".  One has only to remember
> Gandhi's work (By they way, could the cottage industry movement he spawned
> be considered an aspect of CHAT work with the spinning wheel as an artefact
> and the movement itself a ZPD with many interlocking circles?) There are
> many points of convergence between between Vygotsky's work of higher
> consciousness and Freire's notion of  conscientização. I know you are aware
> of Freire's connection to Cabral  and the work of adult literacy in Guinea
> Bissau, West Africa.
> I do not have time for anything more but you might want read this short
> book review in light of your powerful questions.
> http://fcis.oise.utoronto.ca/~daniel_sc/freire/vr.html
> *Robert*
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Dr. Paul C. Mocombe <
> pmocombe@mocombeian.com> wrote:
>> I have an important question for vygotsky scholars...According to the
>> haitian sociologist, Daniel Supplice, as people of African descent, whose
>> societies and governments have been based on theocracy prior to their
>> contacts with Europeans, democracy is not for haitians.  He argues that as
>> haitians and people of african descent, we have to reconsider how we
>> constitute our societies, and stop adopting the ideologies and practices of
>> whites, which are aligned with their biology and experiences of the world.
>> This debate is not new.  There is an argument in afrocentric circles,
>> which highlight the impact that melanin has in making people of color
>> religious and determining their worldview.  So that in the internalization
>> of social processes by blacks melanin is a determing factor in constituting
>> their worldview.  Is this the sought of biological/genetic factor that
>> Vygotsky scholars are taking into account when they speak of the
>> internalization process?
>> I am aware of the fact that alcohol and certain high blood pressure
>> medications adversely affect people of african descent because of melanin.
>> Should we look at the internalization of social processes along the same
>> lines as the ingestion of medicine and alcohol?  Is this Vygotskyian or
>> more in line with Kantian form of understanding and sensibilities as it
>> applies to people of african descent?
>> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
>> President
>> The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc.
>> www.mocombeian.com
>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com
>> www.paulcmocombe.info
> -- 
> *Robert Lake  Ed.D.*Associate Professor
> Social Foundations of Education
> Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading
> Georgia Southern University
> Secretary/Treasurer-AERA- Paulo Freire Special Interest Group
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