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[Xmca-l] Re: Imagination



Hi Annalisa,
You are not alone in suggesting the role of  metaphoric process in
generative imagination (which can take us
beyond reflective imagination).  To illustrate the difference between these
two aspects, I think about  how the early Bob Dylan sounded and looked like
Woody Guthrie, but after he wrote songs like* Blowin in the Wind*  and*
Positively 4th Street  he was "in his own house"  *to quote Neil Young
describing Jimi Hendrix. Consider the origin of the word metaphor itself:
Late 15th century: from French *métaphore*, via Latin from Greek *metaphora*,
from* metapherein* ‘to transfer.’
As Vera stated, metaphor unites disparate images, bridges  old concepts in
ways that create newly fashioned ones.


I have not posted anything since I posed a question about the role of
subconscious or even unconscious processes in higher levels of
consciousness. I know that Henry S. might have been worried that I was a
follower of Jungian collective racial memory or some such thing. Not really
but I do think that imagination and  creative problem solving can occur at
times in subconscious metaphoric processes. Consider the chapter linked
here from Arnold Modell's *Imagination and the Meaningful Brain.* He quotes
from the Einstein and his colleague Hadamard and a few others to support
his suggestions.

http://www.bostonneuropsa.net/PDF%20Files/Imagination%20and%20the%20Meaningful%20Brain%20-%20A.%20Modell%20-%20Chapter%202.pdf


*Robert Lake*

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Annalisa Aguilar <annalisa@unm.edu> wrote:
>
> Esteemed discussants,
>
> Having finished the paper, and considering Mike's comments, I might
> suggest that metaphorical reasoning is an essential engine to imagination,
> and I wonder if I say that because impressions taken of the perceived
> object as it presents itself to me (the Big Dipper) is the identical to
> taking the object as a product of seeing-as (a star constellation as a Big
> Dipper), is the identical to taking the object to represent something else
> entirely (such as Wittgenstein's triangle as a mountain, as an arrow, etc.,
> or a flag to represent a nation).
>
> In other words, that imagination begins as a perceptual process which then
> develops into metaphorical reasoning and perhaps continues on to more
> complex forms of imagining and conceptual renderings. There is definitely a
> dynamic relationship to perception and imagination.
>
> If metaphor isn't THE essential engine, it must serve as a priming process
> (arising from embodied experience in the world), possibly in the same way
> the gesture manifests into the word and its meaning. At least that's how I
> see it at the moment...even though I'm only looking at pixels on my screen
> as I write this...
>
> (Thinking out loud, but I hope not too loud).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Annalisa
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 2:02 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Imagination
>
> Here are some questions I have after reading Strawson and Williams.
>
> Kant et al (including Russian developmentalists whose work i am trying to
> mine for empirical
> strategies and already-accumulated results) speak of productive
> imagination. The Russians write that productive imagination develops.
>
> At first I thought that the use of productive implies that there must be a
> kind of ​imagination called UNproductive imagination. But I learned that
> instead the idea of RE-productive imagination appears and is linked to
> memory.
>
> So, it seems that imagination is an ineluctable part of anticipation and
> memory.
> Imagine that!
> mike
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:16 PM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Strawson provides a long view historically on imagination (starting with
> > Hume and Kant), Williams a more contemporaneous look, and provides a
> space
> > for imagination not afforded by the socio-cultural as fixed. This,
> coupled
> > with Pelaprat and Cole on Gap/Imagination, gives me a ground to take part
> > in the thread on imagination. Of course, I start with preconceptions:
> Vera
> > on creative collaboration and the cognitive grammarian Langacker on
> > symbolic assemblies in discourse and cognitive domains, particularly the
> > temporal. Everyday discourse, it seems to me, is full of imagination and
> > creativity. I am terribly interested in two aspects of temporality:
> > sequence and rhythm (including tempo and rhythmic structure), which I
> think
> > must both figure in imagination and creativity, for both individual and
> > distributed construals of cognition and feeling.
> > Henry
> >
> > > On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Henry, Mike, and others interested in this topic.
> > >
> > > I too see the affinities with notions of the third *space* and the
> > analogy
> > > to *gap-filling*
> > > I am on holiday so limited access to internet.
> > > However, I wanted to mention Raymond Williams and his notion of
> > "structures
> > > of feeling" that David K references. This notion is explored under the
> > > notion of historical *styles* that exist as a *set* of modalities that
> > hang
> > > together.  This notion suggests there is a form of knowing that is
> > forming
> > > but has not yet formed [but can be "felt" [perceived??] if we think
> > > imaginatively.  Raymond explores the imaginal as *style*
> > > Larry
> > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Mike and Larry,
> > >> I promise to read your profer, but just want to say how jazzed up I am
> > now
> > >> about this thread. My mind has been going wild, the mind as Larry
> > construes
> > >> it. I ended up just now with a triad, actually various triads, finally
> > >> found my old friend Serpinski. Part now of my notebooks of the mind,
> as
> > >> Vera would construe it. I’ll be back! Gap adentro, luega pa’ fuera.
> > >> Fractally yours,
> > >> Henry
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 5:09 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> For those interested in the imagination thread, attached are two
> > articles
> > >>> by philosophers who have worried about the issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> My current interest stems from the work of CHAT theorists like
> > >> Zaporozhets
> > >>> and his students who studied the development of imagination in a
> manner
> > >>> that, it turns out, goes back to Kant's notion of productive
> > >> imagination. I
> > >>> am not advocating going back to Kant, and have no intention of doing
> > so.
> > >>> But these ideas seem worth pursuing as explicated in the attached
> > texts.
> > >>>
> > >>> Through reading the Russians and then these philosophers, I came upon
> > the
> > >>> idea that perception and imagination are very closely linked at
> several
> > >>> levels of analysis. This is what, in our naivete, Ettienne and I
> argued
> > >> in
> > >>> our paper on imagination sent around earlier as a means of access to
> > the
> > >>> work of the blind-deaf psychologist, Alexander Suvorov. Moreover,
> such
> > >>> views emphasize the future orientation of the perception/imagination
> > >>> process. I believe that these views have direct relevance to Kris's
> > paper
> > >>> to be found on the KrisRRQ thread, and also speak to concerns about
> the
> > >>> role of different forms of symbolic play in development.
> > >>>
> > >>> So here are the papers on the imagination thread. Perhaps they will
> > prove
> > >>> useful for those interested.
> > >>> mike
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with
> an
> > >>> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
> > >>> <Imagination and Perception by P.F. Strawson.pdf>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with an
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.
>
>

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*Robert Lake  Ed.D.*Associate Professor
Social Foundations of Education
Dept. of Curriculum, Foundations, and Reading
Georgia Southern University
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