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[Xmca-l] Re: [#Listserve Issues] - Suggestions for Changing Practices at XMCA
Mike, send out the lists that were used by in 1980. We can see how many
might work for current topics and add new ones if needed.
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Greg Thompson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> If I may naysay just a bit (Mike knows I can be an insufferable naysayer!),
> I suspect that the greatest problem with the list is how successful it has
> been. Over the past 20 years, the list, as well as the interest in
> Vygotsky, CHAT, SCT, etc, has hugely expanded. The interests of XMCA-ites
> include: first language learning, second language learning, language in the
> classroom, literacy, diversity issues, culture and education, workplace
> learning and activity, organizing (both community AND labor), philosophy,
> and that's not to mention the split between those new to Vygotsky vs. those
> who have been around for longer. That introduces a dizzying diversity of
> My sense is that this great diversity, while an asset in so many ways,
> makes it difficult to find the common ground necessary to engage in this
> particular type of activity and make for the kind of shared motive that can
> smoothly propel us forward together (we are certainly moving forward, but
> in fits and starts and in a manner that seems alienating to the many while
> barely sustaining for the few). This lack of common ground means that posts
> often have to be very long in order to establish the necessary common
> ground. And I agree with Helena that this is a big problem. But I think the
> problem stems from a lack of common ground and the constant need to
> establish one's bases for even asking a question in the first place.
> WHAT IS TO BE DONE?
> In light of this concern, I wonder if there might be some way to divide up
> the list into subgroups so that people with already established common
> ground can work together without having to explain the basic assumptions of
> their area of interest. Some options come to mind;
> 1. Break the listserve up into multiple listserves. This would
> streamline things but it would also mean that there wouldn't be as much
> cross-talk between people working in different areas.
> 2. Alternatively, we could say that at the beginning of the subject line
> the poster should indicate the subset of concerns that are addressed in the
> post as I have done in this email, using the sub-topic "Listserve Issues".
> Two ways to do this:
> 2a. Provide a list of possible topics to always indicate first in the
> subject line. We could collectively "police" this by asking/reminding
> posters to indicate the sub-topic in their heading (as I have done here,
> with the subtopic marked with a hashtag since it seems like those are cool
> these days - and no, I'm not a tweeter).
> 2b. Let the categories emerge organically as people make them up as they go
> along. (this can get messy quickly).
> I'm partial to 2a, but can see the sense in 2b. (and I'm not much of a fan
> of option 1).
> 2a or 2b would allow the group to continue with its large size and provide
> individuals with the choice to focus on certain topics while ignoring
> others (and more groups would also provide more people with the opportunity
> to participate). The hope would be that small communities within
> communities would form that would be more focused and directed while at the
> same time maintaining the community as a whole as a kind of meta-community.
> My two cents.
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:06 PM, Annalisa Aguilar <email@example.com>
> > Hi Mike, et al,
> > I believe for all these cases (of transgressing time-honored
> > this will be taken care of by having a newcomer's page! I am sure of
> > It was something I proposed upon joining. :)
> > Might I also add that I too have a lot of sympathy for Bruce's comment:
> > "I have myself considered leaving but stayed because I value the project
> > and get something from xmca, though I feel that has diminished over
> > Though I cannot say that I feel that it has diminished over time, because
> > I am a newcomer! :) (Though maybe having an Old-Timer's page is also
> > required!) I cannot really say what the list _is_ or what it _should
> be_, I
> > can only offer what I'd like to see it be and hope people share my same
> > desires. If people are against that, I'm sure I'll learn about it right
> > quick, or maybe I'll learn from a boomerang hitting me backside the
> head. :)
> > I would kindly offer that it may be difficult for people to indicate what
> > they are willing to contribute without having an idea what kind of help
> > needed. With this in mind, I'd like to suggest perhaps coming up with A
> > List of Ideals (aka Final Forms), of what we would like the list to
> > (since it is always going to be an unfinished project), and use Our
> > as a constellation to guide us (Perhaps we can make a page called Our
> > Star where this list is maintained).
> > >From these agreed-upon ideals, we might generate a scratchpad list of
> > actions, written in a brainstormy way for people to offer up loose
> > that might create more value and interest (based upon Our North Star). Of
> > course this might be _the opportunity_ for dusting off old ideas for old
> > projects people have left to collect dust in their closets.
> > In keeping with the season, these snowflakey-projects will thus start to
> > coalesce into balls!
> > As these snowy balls start to snowball, it seems that these projects
> > generate BOF's (birds of a feather), and people will flock (and I mean
> > flock like crows!) to where their interests reside. These BOFs can start
> > make their own snowstructures accordingly (igloos, snowmen, or snowball
> > fights, take your pick), breaking down said project into tasks, and tasks
> > into actions among each other, zoped-sledding it as they go!
> > How's that for a strategy broken down into tactical maneuverings?
> > Kind regards,
> > Annalisa
> Gregory A. Thompson, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor
> Department of Anthropology
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