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[Xmca-l] Re: Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya

Dear Annalisa, and Bella, and dear all,

Thank you very much for your responses and sorry for being late for a

Here is a very valuable site established by Mike, a friend of Andy, I had
the great pleasure of being acquainted with Mike thanks to Andy. I think
Mike's effort is a very valuable one as regards making known Zoya's life


I really firmly believe that, questions as well as answers are really very
simple and modest.

And I emphasize that I am not after any political, militant verification or
justification of Zoya, but rather of the analysis of her 's objective life
development because, I observe that she is not a selfish girl, that when
her father is fatally ill, she goes to a doctor upon a total lack of any
adult to do so etc, so she is, as a  sensible child as his father says.

I compare her with children of our age who are reluctant to take one piece
of thing from here to there as a selfish child of current generation.
Beyond any political dimension, it seems to me that Zoya has a high sense
of responsibility, she prepares the meal  for herself and for her brother
because her mum and papa are coming late to home from wor.k

Further, she loses her father at age of 10 upon a sudden illness. A
difficult life indeed when compared today's middle classes children, most
of which do not sense such a responsibility.

At this point, I prefer rather to put the following simple question and I
look for it as Zoya does:

If we are after one big, common happiness for a whole humanity;

and if this humanity is divided into social classes;

and if these social classes are antagonistic classes;


Happiness should be a state of humanity in which dividedness into
antagonistic social classes must have been ceased, abolished,

or at least abolition of social classes must bue CATEGORICALLY  a
precondition for

a happiness for humanity.


which is not divided into social classes.

Which brings us to communism.

Isn't it?

I think it does absolutely.


2014-11-30 19:40 GMT+02:00 Annalisa Aguilar <annalisa@unm.edu>:

> Hello,
> I did read a little about Zoya. I am still curious what the actual
> questions are.
> Happiness is a universal pursuit of all humans. The complexity arrives in
> the ways in which each person, each social group, each culture, even each
> language, defines that happiness.
> For Zoya that happiness appears partially to be patriotism at a time when
> patriots were necessary. I know that is not her only identity, and Ulvi
> does say she is more interested in Zoya's life than her demise.
> It seems the wiki page's focus upon her is as a subject of controversy,
> and so, obviously, I would like to sidestep that. Besides, I don't think
> that is what Ulvi is considering here anyway, but something else.
> This makes me consider Vygotsky's discussion of "final form" in his
> "Problem of the Environment" lecture.
> Such is my addition to this conversation!  :)
> Sincerely,
> Annalisa
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces+annalisa=unm.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <xmca-l-bounces+annalisa=unm.edu@mailman.ucsd.edu> on behalf of Bella
> Kotik-Friedgut <bella.kotik@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:12 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya
> Russian Wikipedia has a lot of information about Zoya and her family. It is
> too long to start translation.
> Sincerely yours Bella Kotik-Friedgut
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Annalisa Aguilar <annalisa@unm.edu>
> wrote:
> > Dear Ulvi,
> >
> > Thank you for your post, which for me is like a single bird singing on a
> > branch of its own (on this list). I do not know about Zoya, but I am
> > curious to learn more.
> >
> > I fear that there has been silence to your post because it is a holiday
> > weekend here in the US and most are with their families eating and eating
> > and eating. Did I mention they are eating?
> >
> > So I am crafting a quick reply so you know at least your post was
> noticed!
> >
> > I believe myself that there _is_ one big happiness for all, so this
> > resonated for me very, very much.
> >
> > What are your pressing questions in this regard? That is: in regard of
> > Zoya's life? in regard to analysis of child development?
> >
> > Would you describe for me more fully the scope of your interest and
> > inquiry?
> >
> > Kindest regards,
> >
> > Annalisa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> > on behalf of Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 3:30 PM
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Subject: [Xmca-l]  Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya
> >
> > Just a curiosity for the contuinity of past and present across
> generations:
> >
> > Anyone who heard about Zoya, died on 29th November 1942, against Nazis.
> >
> > For me , she is rather, in the context of this xmca group, an issue on
> the
> > human development of a Soviet child and young for highest ideals.
> >
> > For instance, as a child, she asks to a writer:
> > "Is there not a big, one common happiness for all?"
> >
> > I think this is a great question across all ages of humanity eternally.
> >
> > She decides that this common happiness is the land of Soviets.
> >
> > I am interested on the life, rather than death of her, as an analysis of
> a
> > child and youth development issue.
> >
> > Best,
> > Ulvi
> >
> >