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[Xmca-l] Re: History(ies) of this discourse community and futures past

Oops. url not irk, although iPhone techno local help can certainly be

On Saturday, November 29, 2014, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> Hi folks
> Actually I asked Greg to send the irk for the two documents about the
> history of xmca.
> It can be found at lchc.ucsd.edu but I hace only iPhone access and could
> not cut and paste the url. The two docs are on the history page under
> archives.
> People are considering how the discussion might improve and I figured it
> might be useful to see some prior attempts at improvement dating bac to the
> early days of the Internet,
> The wiki is a separate topic and Greg's questions are entirely the product
> of his pedagogical imagination.
> Next week when I get back to San Diego I look forward to starting an
> upgrade of xmca, a discussion list connected to Mind Culture and Activity.
> Some interesting suggestions have been made that richly deserve attention.
> Thanks to Greg for his good intentions, but I would appreciate some help
> with figuring out xmca.
> Now I am going to escape from this bloody device and hit send.  Another
> long drive tomorrow.
> Mike
> On Saturday, November 29, 2014, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','greg.a.thompson@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> Folks,
>> Mike asked me to forward this link to the list:
>> http://lchcfestschrift.wikispaces.com/The+Story+of+LCHC+-+An+Unfinished+Polyphonic+Autobiography
>> This is the link to the wiki-history of LCHC, the forerunner of the XMCA
>> discourse community.
>> Mike has proposed (see forwarded message below) that we all familiarize
>> ourselves with this history (particularly those that are new to XMCA).
>> To that end, I thought I'd pose a couple questions:
>> What do you find interesting/surprising about the history of LCHC?
>> What current threads (!) are being pulled through to the present day XMCA
>> conversations? Here and elsewhere?
>> How might we make sense of this history?
>> I'm not sure if this is what Mike is pointing to, but it seems that there
>> are some substantial discontinuities between the XMCA conversations of the
>> past few years and what LCHC has been doing throughout most of its
>> history.
>> This isn't to say that is a bad thing, simply to point it out and to ask:
>> why the differences?
>> Finally, you'll notice that the chapters are chronological leading up to
>> the last chapter titled The Future.
>> That one remains unwritten but will soon be history.
>> -greg
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu>
>> Date: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:48 PM
>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Fate, Luck and Chance [Language as a form]
>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
>> Carol Et al
>> It is a short holiday week in the US and I am on the road visiting family
>> and friends. I have only limited access and am trying to think about what
>> it means to have participants with such varied histories with the
>> discourse
>> community and its topic and such varied backgrounds. Uncharted territory.
>> For those who care to see XMCA continue, I suggest that you read and
>> reflect on the 30+ history of this discourse community. The summaries that
>> I know of can be found at
>> LCHC.ucsd.edu under history archives. There are two summaries there that
>> go
>> back to roughly 1983.
>> Further comment without people stopping to familiarize themselves with
>> prior history and without having participants ceasing to seek  solutions
>> to
>> the current confusions in the iniatives taken by others rather than in
>> collective action in which they share responsibility seems unlikely to
>> bear
>> fruit that can nourish a productive future.
>> All sorts of alternatives are possible.
>> One alternative is not possible, and that is to eschew personal
>> responsibility and lay it on the shoulders of a 76 year old "retired
>> professor" whose inadequate understanding of the core issues of the role
>> of
>> culture in the development have been thoroughly documented by numerous
>> real
>> experts over decades.
>> The record is there, open to all.
>> Check it out. Then we can assess the future.
>> Good luck to us all
>> Mike
> --
> It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with an
> object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.

It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with an
object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.