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[Xmca-l] Re: History(ies) of this discourse community and futures past

Hi folks
Actually I asked Greg to send the irk for the two documents about the
history of xmca.

It can be found at lchc.ucsd.edu but I hace only iPhone access and could
not cut and paste the url. The two docs are on the history page under

People are considering how the discussion might improve and I figured it
might be useful to see some prior attempts at improvement dating bac to the
early days of the Internet,

The wiki is a separate topic and Greg's questions are entirely the product
of his pedagogical imagination.

Next week when I get back to San Diego I look forward to starting an
upgrade of xmca, a discussion list connected to Mind Culture and Activity.
Some interesting suggestions have been made that richly deserve attention.

Thanks to Greg for his good intentions, but I would appreciate some help
with figuring out xmca.

Now I am going to escape from this bloody device and hit send.  Another
long drive tomorrow.


On Saturday, November 29, 2014, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>

> Folks,
> Mike asked me to forward this link to the list:
> http://lchcfestschrift.wikispaces.com/The+Story+of+LCHC+-+An+Unfinished+Polyphonic+Autobiography
> This is the link to the wiki-history of LCHC, the forerunner of the XMCA
> discourse community.
> Mike has proposed (see forwarded message below) that we all familiarize
> ourselves with this history (particularly those that are new to XMCA).
> To that end, I thought I'd pose a couple questions:
> What do you find interesting/surprising about the history of LCHC?
> What current threads (!) are being pulled through to the present day XMCA
> conversations? Here and elsewhere?
> How might we make sense of this history?
> I'm not sure if this is what Mike is pointing to, but it seems that there
> are some substantial discontinuities between the XMCA conversations of the
> past few years and what LCHC has been doing throughout most of its history.
> This isn't to say that is a bad thing, simply to point it out and to ask:
> why the differences?
> Finally, you'll notice that the chapters are chronological leading up to
> the last chapter titled The Future.
> That one remains unwritten but will soon be history.
> -greg
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu <javascript:;>>
> Date: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:48 PM
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Fate, Luck and Chance [Language as a form]
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
> <javascript:;>>
> Carol Et al
> It is a short holiday week in the US and I am on the road visiting family
> and friends. I have only limited access and am trying to think about what
> it means to have participants with such varied histories with the discourse
> community and its topic and such varied backgrounds. Uncharted territory.
> For those who care to see XMCA continue, I suggest that you read and
> reflect on the 30+ history of this discourse community. The summaries that
> I know of can be found at
> LCHC.ucsd.edu under history archives. There are two summaries there that
> go
> back to roughly 1983.
> Further comment without people stopping to familiarize themselves with
> prior history and without having participants ceasing to seek  solutions to
> the current confusions in the iniatives taken by others rather than in
> collective action in which they share responsibility seems unlikely to bear
> fruit that can nourish a productive future.
> All sorts of alternatives are possible.
> One alternative is not possible, and that is to eschew personal
> responsibility and lay it on the shoulders of a 76 year old "retired
> professor" whose inadequate understanding of the core issues of the role of
> culture in the development have been thoroughly documented by numerous real
> experts over decades.
> The record is there, open to all.
> Check it out. Then we can assess the future.
> Good luck to us all
> Mike

It is the dilemma of psychology to deal with a natural science with an
object that creates history. Ernst Boesch.