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[Xmca-l] In defense of Vygotsky ["Sense and meaning" really means consciousness, which really means intellectualism]



This continues and extends from my original post concerning Andy's breakdown of ANL vs. LSV.

There are about 8 points total... [copypasta is a starch of art]


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4. ["Sense and meaning" really means consciousness, which really means intellectualism]
(see original post below)
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Again a pothole. You say:
"The child's relation to the environment is whatever is appropriate at their level of development, not necessarily if at all, an intellectual relationship, that's all that Vygotsky claims."

I think know this, but what is ANL's critique against this? Is it that it is too "intellectual," which is possibly code for elitism or class? Sorry if I wasn't clear.


Wed, 22 Oct 2014 06:28:48 +0000
Annalisa wrote:


_4th charge_: "Sense and meaning" really means consciousness, which really means intellectualism
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For LSV, in order for perezhivanie to "happen," there is a dependency on the level of sense and meaning in the child in order to detect what presents in the environment. Well, ANL counters, sense and meaning present in the child is really consciousness present in the child. Consciousness is just another word for intellect, as interpreted by ANL, and this is problematic, I think because it implies... [doubt sets in] this is hereditary- or biologically-driven alone. (??)


>> Andy's reply to #4 above:

>>The child's relation to the environment is whatever is appropriate at their level of development, not necessarily if at all, an intellectual relationship, that's all that Vygotsky claims.