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[Xmca-l] Re: units of analysis? LSV versus ANL
- To: Blunden Andy <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <email@example.com>
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- Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:57:07 +0000
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I don't agree with you here, Andy. I read Crisis, and T&L, as aspects of LSV's science of *consciousness*. ANL's mistake was that he equated consciousness with the mental, and so concluded that LSV is an idealist. However, LSV takes consciousness to be *relational*, an aspect of how human beings live in the world. *This* is his escape from dualism. For LSV, consciousness is not simply subjective, a mental 'reflection' of an external material world, a realm of mere 'appearances.' Consciousness is an aspect of human being, which is embodied and social.
On Oct 17, 2014, at 11:33 PM, Andy Blunden <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> What Vygotsky has done which allows him to develop a nondualistic psychology is that he took as his *most fundamental* concept "action". His other key concepts, his units of analysis for the various investigations, are also concepts which are intrinsically subjective/objective. E.g., word meaning, defect-compensation, perezhivanie. This is it: choose as your unit of analysis a concept which is a unity of objective and subjective.
> ANL would agree with his, but in his critique he is trying to muddy the water by claiming that Vygosky takes as his fundamental concept, "consciousness".