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[Xmca-l] Re: The ideal head

Exactly, as I see it, Helen.
And I'd go further. It applies to adults as well.
When we talk about development during adolescence and adulthood, it also means changing one's social position. Of course we can use words with whatever meaning we choose, but I think in the CHAT tradition, personality development must be interpreted in that way. And it is the crises involved in revolutionising our social position that are associated with perezhivanija. Sometimes the change in social position comes from outside, and the crisis is one of adaptation. But it can also be a crisis coming from the self - reacting to what is unsatisfactory in the world and either changing the position of the person within their social circumstances, or transforming those very circumstances themselves.

*Andy Blunden*

Helen Grimmett wrote:
I've always understood Vygotsky's crises as being related to a change in
social positioning:

1: Baby starts to walk and talk which radically alters her social
positioning with others (particularly with immediate family/caregivers)
3: Begins pre-school - exposed to new adults and peers, expected to
participate in group activities
6/7: Begins school - new expectations on child to take up position as
12: Adolescence - physical changes bring about changes in interests, social
relationships etc

I've got no idea how well-founded this understanding is, but it's the only
way I have been able to make sense of why we criticise Piaget's ages/stages
model and accept Vygotsky's. It also means though that we have to be
flexible about the ages given, i.e. in Australia children start school at
5, so the 6/7 crisis would appear earlier.

My 2 bobs worth

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On 31 July 2014 05:13, Katherine Wester Neal <wester@uga.edu> wrote:

I agree that a monumental crisis takes place between the age of 2 and 3. I
wouldn't call it the "terrible twos," but I think it results from the
"language explosion" that often occurs at that age. A child learns that all
these sounds s/he has been hearing can be used meaningfully as a tool for
exerting control on the world around him/her and faces a crisis in how to
use them.

I think the crisis around 6 years old comes from the understanding that
what one does in the world has consequences. That change, as I understand
it, is the basis for laws that place the age of culpability around 5-6 in
the U.S. (In many U.S. states, children under this age can't be charged
with a crime because they don't have the capability to understand that
they've done something wrong.) Perhaps there are other suggestions? And
what typifies the crisis at 1? How is it biological?


Katie Wester-Neal
University of Georgia

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Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:20 PM
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Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: The ideal head

The one at 2-2.5 is easy - "terrible twos"? :-)
Is this just a myth though?

More seriously, there do appear to developmental milestones however:
Use of and ambivalence in Yes / No?
Peter (father of three)
Peter Jones
Lancashire, UK
Blogging at "Welcome to the QUAD"
h2cm: help 2C more - help 2 listen - help 2 care

On Wed, 30/7/14, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: The ideal head
 To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
 Date: Wednesday, 30 July, 2014, 18:30

 Vygotsky's Problem of Age is a difficult
 essay. I wonder if you could say a
 bit more
 about the crisis at 6 (7,8?) years and the one at 12 years?
 others are fairly self explanatory but
 those two are a bit more
 complicated. Among
 other things, it isn't clear what is different about
 crisis at 2.5 and the crisis at 6.

 Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:44 AM, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
 > wrote:

 > Though in other texts he wrote of
 adolescence as such a time of crisis
 that the whole stage should be considered a transition. In
 the lectures on
 > child development
 Vygotsky describes the following crises:
 > Birth: the child is
 differentiated physically
 > 1 year: the
 child is differentiated biologically
 2.5 years: the child is differentiated psychologically
 > 6 years: inside & outside of self are
 > 12 years: actual &
 possible selves are differentiated
 > Martin
 > On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Andy Blunden
 > >
 Francis, most of the crises which Vygotsky mentions in
 > > http://www.marxists.org/archive/vygotsky/works/1934/problem-age.htm
 > > are associated with childhood before
 school. (It is an unfinished work).
 > Andy
 > >
 > > *Andy Blunden*
 > http://home.pacific.net.au/~andy/
 > >
 > >
 > >> ...
 > >> In any case, I wonder
 if Vygotsky considered whether schooling itself
 > might
 > >> be
 responsible, at least partly, for the child's apparent
 > from
 >> schooling at these moments.
 > >> Francis J. Sullivan,
 > >>
 > >

 Gregory A.
 Thompson, Ph.D.
 Assistant Professor
 Department of Anthropology
 Spencer W. Kimball Tower
 Brigham Young
 Provo, UT 84602