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[Xmca-l] Re: Intrinsic motivation?



Hi Greg:
I think you are onto something here, in light  of the fact that many dichotomies are false, especially when contextualized within the sociocultural, historical-political complexity of human society. While John-Steiner and Hersh were specifically talking about recognition and motivation in this case, is also possible that the scientist/artist/athelete or other thinkers-performers experience a completely different and discipline-specific form of fulfillment when accomplishing that which has not be achieved before and /or witnessing such big "C" (vs. little "c" creative events). The sense of fulfillment, in these instances, is derived from a specialized subculture that knows the inherent worth of the accomplishment (such as Olympic or world-class athletes). I suspect that these individuals experience a type of catharsis that involves both cognitive and affective aspects as well as aesthetic-functional dimensions. But, I have 60 papers to grade for summer school, so it is time to get back to work. 
Cathrene

Dr. Cathrene Connery
Associate Professor of Education
Ithaca College 
Department of Education
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On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:25 PM, "Greg Thompson" <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com> wrote:

> While reading David Kirshner's review of Hersh and John-Steiner's Loving
> and Hating Math book, I cam across the following characterization of
> Gregory Perelman's decision to refuse to accept the Fields Medal in light
> of the apparent fact that his work had been plagiarized by a Chinese
> scholar who had previously received the medal:
> 
> "“Everybody understood that if the proof is correct then no other
> recognition is needed” (p. 72), which Hersh and John-Steiner interpret as
> “a beautiful example of intrinsic scientific motivation” (p. 73)."
> 
> Although this makes perfect sense to me and my understanding of "intrinsic
> motivation" from an intuitive sense, I was nonetheless struck by the fact
> that in this case, it was an EXTERNAL recognition that is taken to be
> "intrinsic".
> 
> On the one hand, in my intuitive sense of this psychological terme d'arte
> (as well as my emic everyday sense of it - psychological termes d'art are
> part of everyday language about things like parenting and teaching!), it
> seems that the Hersh and John-Steiner quote IS pointing to intrinsic
> motivation.
> 
> But, on the other hand, it also seems that the motivation in this case is
> EXTRINSIC - the mathematician is seeking recognition of others (or perhaps
> even recognition by the "field of mathematics" - which some might to
> imagine to be a truth-conditional field that exists outside of any
> community of mathematicians). Isn't this type of motivation "outside" of
> the individual?
> 
> Conversely, isn't it also the case that the desire for medals and awards
> (e.g. the Fields Medal) or even other rewards (even marshmallows!) could be
> thought of as INTRINSIC as well? Don't these desires have to be INSIDE the
> person in order for the person to be motivated by them?
> 
> Seems like all motivation is both extrinsic and intrinsic, no?
> 
> And I wonder if this may be connected to the quote that Mike mentioned from
> Luria that a person cannot control their behaviors any more than a shadow
> can carry stones?
> 
> Both seem to point to an ideology (myth) of individualism that is prevalent
> among psychologists?
> 
> For those interested, here is a description of intrinsic and extrinsic
> motivation:
> "Intrinsic motivation refers to behavior that is driven by internal
> rewards. In other words, the motivation to engage in a behavior arises from
> within the individual because it is intrinsically rewarding. This contrasts
> with extrinsic motivation, which involves engaging in a behavior in order
> to earn external rewards or avoid punishments."
> 
> -greg
> 
> 
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