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[Xmca-l] Re: Fwd: [Методология и история психологии] Фильм, посвященный А.В. Суворову - психологу



I am glad you took the time to watch the film, Wagner. Apparently it did
not catch the attention of other xmca members. It arrived when I was on my
way to the mountains so I sent it without watching because i knew of the
great interest in this work. Then I watched and waited for someone to
notice.

The film is upsetting in many respects. It does more than obliterate
history,
it perverts it.

Note the fare offered by RT, apparently an English language government
sponsored program that is arrayed in ads along the side of the video.

I have looked everywhere for a copy of Butterflies of Zagorsk, but have not
found it. It, too, had its shortcomings, but at least it did not treat
Meshcheryakov and Mikhailov and others who championed these people in
another dark time like invisible criminals.

Very sad indeed. I prefer Mescheryakov's book, Karl Levitin's little
monography, *One is not born a personality*, and my own personal experience
to undrstand Sasha Suvorov's fate.


mike


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Thank you very much! I really appreciate the sharing of this Professor
> Cole, so please take the bellow criticism as to the documentary and not for
> your sharing. And a bit of salt for my emotional response when I see the
> remains of Zagorsk played with by religion, common sense psychology and
> sensationalist mass media. No wonder Ilyenkov killed himself. We live in a
> sick society, but all fingers are pointed to the individual when it comes
> to what to blame...
>
> It is a shame they don't say the name of the school, the name of the
> researchers who where behind it, the theory that inspired it... But we
> know...Also bad that they say Vygotsky dreams of the potential of
> development with sarcasm and even as a dangerous thing (the suicide part),
> and they say it straight that the experiment was "cruel" by an
> "specialist", so all must accept our faith (it even begin in a church) and
> destiny (biology determined his life from the beginning, trying to fight it
> was foolish), not surprisingly the only "famous psychologist" to appear is
> Freud in the background... And ending trying to convince him that he can
> only be happy accepting what he is and "God"....
>
> But what a inspiring figure Alexander Suvorov is, no wonder he is
> immediately surrounded by children in the Zagorsk documentary. And through
> all the documentary they appear to try to negate him, to deny him, to make
> his achievements an exception or even an error. But his comments and his
> life still give hope!
>
> And still looking for a good English version of the "Butterflies of
> Zagorsk"...
>
> Wagner
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:17 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Film about Alexander Suvorov, the blind-deaf Russian psychologist.
>> mike
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