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[Xmca-l] Re: bildung and obuchenie

Dear colleagues,

I am reading some material regarding "bildung" now and thinking in making
some approach of Vygotsky "perezhivanie" as an "unit of analysis" of
"bildung" (expanding this unit from the unit of analysis of personality - I
think I read this in a text by Andy here http://goo.gl/u1hrCy).

Anyway, doing some preliminary search on the net I found this quote (
http://goo.gl/4xgt09) pointing "Obuchenie" as different of "obrazovanie"
and that this later one is closer to "bildung". Any help from our Russian
speakers in detailing the meaning of these words?

At least in my head when Vygotsky talks about a person development in a
more broad way, I relate this to "bildung". Is this a viable approach?

Sorry for bringing this old discussion back to life.


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Greg Thompson <greg.a.thompson@gmail.com>

> In reading the article I just mentioned (in Anthropology and Education
> Quarterly), I got to thinking that bildung seems very similar to obuchenie.
> I asked a Russian professor who happened to be in a classroom before a
> class I was teaching and she described a concept that seemed very similar
> to bildung. From what I could gather, obuchenie has the same sense of
> "cultivation" that seems to be at the heart of bildung. And of course I
> don't mean "cultivation" in the high cultural sense of being a "cultivated"
> person (although this might have been part of what the early authors
> writing about "bildung" had in mind) rather I mean the idea of a full
> development of the human, not merely the dumping of information into the
> individual.
> Anyone have any sense about overlap between these concepts?
> Are they as similar as they seem to me?
> If different, then how so?
> And I wonder how people would feel about the term "character education" as
> an English analogue to the German bildung and the Russian obuchenie?
> Yes, yes, yes, I know that this aligns with politics that make many people
> sick to their stomach, but frankly, I'm interested in imagining a politics
> that isn't so provincial as the American Left and Right so I'm always
> looking for politically polyvalent concepts. What do you think? Could this
> be a concept that can work in politically polar opposite communities?
> -greg
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