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[Xmca-l] Re: Playing with/at TED



I wonder what Lois thinks about all of this discussion that Peter started?
Mike

On Friday, June 20, 2014, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree completely with Tom's remarks. I remember that almost every summer
> in Chicago between five and ten black children in the city would be
> murdered by police for playing with toy guns. Consider this:
>
>
> http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911/172029/
>
> To link this to the previous thread--I don't think that the article "What
> Theory is Not" has a workable definition of theory, and for that reason I
> found it little more than a list of complaints. But part of the dialectical
> method is defining what things are by looking at what things are
> not: transgressing that boundary is precisely what we mean when we say that
> something is in the process of becoming what it is not.
>
> One of the problems of Lois's talk is that it doesn't give us a very clear
> view of what play is not. But I would say that street kids talking to
> policemen about their fear of being gunned down in the street is a pretty
> good place to start.
>
> Lois herself recognizes in her talk that the conversations are not part of
> the play. But then we need to look at when and where the activity stopped
> being play, and above all why. Otherwise we rob "play" of all of its
> content.
>
> I think the same thing is true when we say that children play constantly,
> from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed (and Vygotsky, of
> course, says the opposite--play is a "leading" activity but for that very
> reason we cannot say it is the main activity).
>
> David Kellogg
> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>
> PS: Obviously, the teacher who claimed that their generation in China (my
> wife's generation) did not play after the age of two was just playing
> around with poor Lois. But that's no reason to play along...
>
> dk
>
>
> On 20 June 2014 06:03, Tom Richardson <tom.richardson3@googlemail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > A fascinating and moving 14+minutes of Lois ....only how I wish that I
> did
> > not subscribe to a class analysis which means that the last example of
> the
> > 'kids of colour' and the NYPD is called into deep question - will the
> > lethal divides of capitalism's "special bodies of armed men" from
> > working-class citizens, (and of course it extends to imperialism's
> > destruction of whole countries), be 'overcome' by Play. Lois' commitment
> > and passionate intelligence almost lets me believe it might, but I know
> > that I'm fooling myself.
> > We need Play to evolve the next tranche of revolutionary strategy and
> > tactics, but Play alone will never arrive at the necessity for
> > revolutionary overthrow of capitalism, only, from Lois' examples,
> > ultimately futile attempts at transcending class conflict,
> >
> > Tom Richardson
> > Middlesbrough
> > UK
> >
> >
> > On 19 June 2014 20:57, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Well Lois
> > >
> > > That was splendid, awesome! All you serious XMCAers please watch.
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19 June 2014 13:48, Lois Holzman <lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org
> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here's the link, Carol.
> > > > http://tedxnavesink.com/project/lois-holzman/
> > > >
> > > > Lois Holzman
> > > > Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> > > > 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > > > Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > > > Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > > > Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > > > Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > > > lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org <javascript:;>
> > > > Social Media
> > > > Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > > > Blogs
> > > > Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community News
> > > > Websites
> > > > Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > > > All Stars Project
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 19, 2014, at 3:02 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Louis
> > > > >
> > > > > Please could you send the link again?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Carol
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 19 June 2014 01:03, Lois Holzman <
> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi All,
> > > > >> Peter kindly posted a link to a talk I gave last month at a TEDx
> > > > >> event--TEDxNavesink Play.
> > > > >> Aside from the prep being among the hardest things I've ever done
> > > > (staying
> > > > >> within their rules and structure, not being academic but saying
> > > > something
> > > > >> new for people to think about, and more), it was a delight to be
> > with
> > > > folks
> > > > >> who appreciate and value play--many of whom are affording people
> in
> > > > their
> > > > >> communities with the opportunity to play in all kinds of ways. It
> > was
> > > > >> really growthful for me and my team. I was really pleased to
> > reconnect
> > > > with
> > > > >> Peter Gray after many years and to meet other good people. The
> > one-day
> > > > >> event was organized are 4 P's--possibility, pleasure, progress and
> > > > paradox.
> > > > >> I invite you all to include these talks within your conversation
> > > > here--even
> > > > >> though they're not theoretical. Maybe it's a new kind of play for
> > > many.
> > > > >> Lois
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Lois Holzman
> > > > >> Director, East Side Institute for Group & Short Term Psychotherapy
> > > > >> 104-106 South Oxford Street
> > > > >> Brooklyn, New York 11217
> > > > >> Chair, Global Outreach, All Stars Project, UX
> > > > >> Tel. +1.212.941.8906 x324
> > > > >> Fax +1.718.797.3966
> > > > >> lholzman@eastsideinstitute.org <javascript:;>
> > > > >> Social Media
> > > > >> Facebook | LinkedIn | Twitter
> > > > >> Blogs
> > > > >> Psychology Today| Psychology of Becoming | ESI Community News
> > > > >> Websites
> > > > >> Lois Holzman | East Side Institute | Performing the World
> > > > >> All Stars Project
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > > > > Developmental psycholinguist
> > > > > Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
> > > > > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Carol A  Macdonald Ph D (Edin)
> > > Developmental psycholinguist
> > > Academic, Researcher,  and Editor
> > > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
> > >
> >
>