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[Xmca-l] Re:About Vygotsky and Bar-Kokhba [Бар-Кохба (בר כוכבא‎)]. Bella or somebody can instruct me?



Thank you very much David, 


All your explanation was very meaningful - and made me think about a lot of connections. I will try to learn more and better... "Personality development" as "way to freedom"... And how strong are we for became free, in such historical conditions? 3 years is very meaningful, but if there was no crucifying for that major military leader, there was a mass murder after. Seems to be a very difficult choice, with a great risk involved, more than an option by a card or another... But maybe, the situation with cards could be a kind of unit for more crucial volition acts in public/political life of entire nations...  "Nothing to lost, except our chains" but really "nothing".... A real dramatical situation involving an actual act of will must have some kind of of lost... If not, there will no need to claim to a voluntary "give a step in front"... I apologize if take your time, with this detour in your line of discussion about play...  Thank you very much.


Achilles.



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De: "David Kellogg"  
Em: Sábado 21 de Junho de 2014 05:18, 
Para: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
Assunto: [Xmca-l] Re:	About Vygotsky and Bar-Kokhba [Бар-Кохба (בר כוכבא‎)]. Bella or somebody can instruct me?Achilles:Actually, Bar Kochba was the real Jesus Christ. There was a biography ofChrist called "Zealot" written not long ago which raised a big scandal inthe USA because it was written by a Muslim. The really revolutionary thingabout the book, though, was that it tried to understand what Christ musthave meant to the Jews of his time. Actually, there were hundreds ofChrists--political leaders of the Jews who declared themselves Messiahs andtried to get rid of Roman rule, ending up crucified.Bar Kochba was different because he actually succeeded. That is, the Romanswere expelled from Judea, and a real Jewish state was set up for threeyears (until 132 AD, if I remember correctly). Then the Romans took Judeaback, and murdered everybody even remotely connected with the successfulrebellion. The Christians, who had never been sympathetic to the rebellionin the first place (because of course they had already had their Messiah)at this point became a strongly pro-Roman religion, and decided to convertnon-Jews, eventually winning over the Emperor himself.As you probably know, there was a big debate over "Liberation Theology" inLatin America during the sixties. A lot of this centred around thediscovery by some Latin American priests that prior to the pro-Roman turn,Christianity had been a strongly revolutionary creed associated withsomeone who was, in essence, a somewhat premature Bar Kochba.A final note, just because I like to tie threads together and we have beentalking about play. The Forbidden Colors game which Leontiev uses in hisstudies of attention and will is related to a traditional Jewish"Yes/No"game called "Bar Kochba".David KelloggHankuk University of Foreign StudiesOn 21 June 2014 14:49, Achilles Delari Junior   wrote:> Please, dear professors,>>> In front Vygotsky's publications about poetry, theatre and arts in> general, from Gomel's 1921/1922 period, I turn motivated to know something> about the relation of Vygotsky as man (tchelovek), citizen and young> thinker, with different kinds of insurgent social process, struggling for> freedom. For instance there are, at least, 3 different situations of this> kind touched by him in those newspaper publications : (1) Bar-Kohba; (2)> The Dekabrists; and (3) October Revolution. But what more deeply touch me> is just the first one, because I really do not know nothing about, and> seems to be very very important in Jewish long history for Land and> Freedom. And, believe me or not, this is important for many people here in> my country, not necessarily Jews. If you pleased, could you help me to find> more reliable sources about the historical process in which was envolved> Bar-Kohba? If the answer would be excessively obvious - sorry for spend> your time with me. I will search better by myself. Thank you, a lot.>>> Achilles, from Brazil.>>