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[Xmca-l] Re: Radzikhovskii, L. - article



On 14 May 2014 20:49, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> The issue of relation of the concepts of communication and activity was
> hotly debated in the USSR in the 1980's.
>
> Perhaps those interested would comment for others what they find important
> and interesting, problematic, worth discussion in this paper?
>
> mike
>
>
I liked the endeavour to orient to the genetic aspects of activity.  This
is difficult to do as it inevitably means relating so many different
aspects.

It is interesting too as a historical document.  There are notions
discussed which I take as a given, such as the social nature of individual
activity.  Other notions such as an emphasis on sign as a vehicle to
investigate developmental phenomena (particularly with respect to
investigating meaning and motive) are interesting too.  One aspect of this
interest stems from the somewhat dissonant nature of what we are studying:
development entails protracted work on the part of the subject that may
have an extensive substantive quality to it yet can show up in transitory
and ethereal forms.

It is difficult to do the paper justice via a brief email.

Best,
Huw


>
> On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On 14 May 2014 16:53, C Barker <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Huw wrote:
> > >
> > > Radzikhovskii wrote a fine paper pertaining to this:
> > >
> > > Activity: Structure, genesis, and units of analysis.
> > > Radzikhovskii, L.
> > > A.<
> > >
> >
> http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.searchResults&latSearchType=a&term=Radzikhovskii
> > > ,
> > > L. A.>
> > > Soviet Psychology, Vol 23(2), 1984-1985, 35-53.
> > >
> > > I seem unable to get access to this article. Does anyone have a .pdf
> they
> > > could pass on?
> > >
> > >
> > I've just the paper copy which I obtained via an inter-library service
> > (probably from the British Library).
> >
> > Best,
> > Huw
> >
> >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Colin Barker
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> ]
> > > on behalf of Huw Lloyd [huw.softdesigns@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 14 May 2014 16:25
> > > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Jesper Juul, Ludologist
> > >
> > > On 13 May 2014 02:28, David Kellogg <dkellogg60@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know anything about the work of Jesper Juul, the
> > ludologist?
> > > > ( don't mean the Danish Doctor Spock.)
> > > >
> > > > Jesper Juul, ludologist, has apparently written several books on
> > computer
> > > > games, including one on the curious paradox that gaming is something
> we
> > > do
> > > > for fun even though (despite knowing that) it will soon make us
> unhappy
> > > > (like television and certain forms of drugs).
> > > >
> > > > I've only read one article of his, where he talks about playerless
> > games
> > > > (by which he means games that have no role for free will). It's
> mostly
> > an
> > > > intellectual exercise--a kind of gedankenexperiment which is really
> > > > designed to show why we do need players and paradoxically why we
> should
> > > > avoid thinking about play without thinking about the intrinsic
> quality
> > of
> > > > the game as well.
> > > >
> > >
> > > There's a link to his PhD thesis on the link Wagner posted, I believe.
> > >
> > > >From the messages there it looks like hes mostly interested in writing
> > > games etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > (I am actually thinking about this in the context of vocabulary
> > > > research--what factors are intrinsic to the word, which are text
> > > intrinsic
> > > > and which only inhere in the interaction between the learner and the
> > > > teacher!)
> > > >
> > >
> > > At a broad guess, is this driven by notions of completeness with
> respect
> > > to dialogic utterances in comparison to dialogic actions?
> > >
> > > Radzikhovskii wrote a fine paper pertaining to this:
> > >
> > > Activity: Structure, genesis, and units of analysis.
> > > Radzikhovskii, L.
> > > A.<
> > >
> >
> http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.searchResults&latSearchType=a&term=Radzikhovskii
> > > ,
> > > L. A.>
> > > Soviet Psychology, Vol 23(2), 1984-1985, 35-53.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Huw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > David Kellogg
> > > > Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
> > > >
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> > >
> >
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