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[Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky



Thank you a lot Huw!

Wagner


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>wrote:

> Ch. 11, problem of the general (universal) may serve as the most
> direct/practical relevance to your relations between LSV & Ilyenkov.  It is
> an important principle in the unit of analysis.
>
> Davydov's & Radzikhovskii's (1985) paper, Vygotsky's theory and the
> activity-oriented approach in psychology, may help you to relate LSV to
> Leontyev's Activity Theory via the philosophical elaboration of activity as
> an explanatory principle.
>
>
> http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=inI3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=culture+communication+and+cognition+vygotskian&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hfRPU7uHG-qf7gbroYCYCA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=culture%20communication%20and%20cognition%20vygotskian&f=false
>
> Best,
> Huw
>
>
>
> On 17 April 2014 16:12, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > Certainly! Ilyenkov (in my view) builds on Vygotsky. My reservations were
> > about *criticising*, i.e., using Ilyenkov against Vygotsky.
> > Reading Ilyenkov to support a reading of Vygotsky would be most fruitful.
> >
> > Andy
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *Andy Blunden*
> > http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> >
> >
> > Rauno Huttunen wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I think that there could be some common elements between Vygotskian
> logic
> >> of ZPD and Iljenkovian dialectical logic.
> >>
> >> Rauno Huttunen
> >> ________________________________________
> >> Lähettäjä: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu[xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.
> >> edu] k&#228;ytt&#228;j&#228;n Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net] puolesta
> >> Lähetetty: 17. huhtikuuta 2014 17:52
> >> Vastaanottaja: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >> Aihe: [Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky
> >>
> >> Though I can see how you caan relate the question of thought and matter
> >> to the concept of perewzhivanie, I really think these are questions at a
> >> different level of abstraction and you had better leave perezhivanie out
> >> of it, to tackle the relevance of Spinoza to Vygotsky's psychology. I
> >> think he idea of criticising Vygotsky from the point of view of Ilyenkov
> >> is not likely to be fruitful. Criticising Vygotsky from the standpoint
> >> of Spinoza even less so.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> *Andy Blunden*
> >> http://home.mira.net/~andy/
> >>
> >>
> >> Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dear xmca colleagues,
> >>>
> >>> I am still struggling to learn philosophy and the philosophical
> >>> foundations
> >>> of CHAT.
> >>>
> >>> Righ now I am reading Ilyenkov "Dialetical
> >>> Logic<http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/index.htm
> >"
> >>> and the "thinking body" concept presented on chapter 2, about Spinoza,
> is
> >>> really interesting.
> >>>
> >>> So after listening to some claims of the relationship between Vygotsky
> >>> and
> >>> Ilyenkov (that I discovered was also involved in the Zagorsk
> >>> experiment), I
> >>> searched the internet and found this paper
> >>> <http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s8750af8c69baf2a5/download/
> >>> m2aa8edc95dfadc5e/1297190036/Ilyenkov+and+Revolution+in+
> >>> Psychology.pdf?px-hash=27b6c2e8e5025382eccf85932e37ac
> >>> 586abaa5df&px-time=1397713488>with
> >>> some critics to Vygotsky and Leontiev from the perspective of Ilyenkov
> >>> (and
> >>> Spinoza?).
> >>>
> >>> I don't know much philosophy yet, and I am also not so familiar with
> >>> Leontiev's theory, so I wanted some opinion on these critics if
> possible.
> >>>
> >>> Also I was wondering if it is reasonable to approach Ilyenkov "thinking
> >>> body" with Vygotsky "*perezhivanie*".
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>