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[Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky
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- Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 16:40:26 +0100
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Ch. 11, problem of the general (universal) may serve as the most
direct/practical relevance to your relations between LSV & Ilyenkov. It is
an important principle in the unit of analysis.
Davydov's & Radzikhovskii's (1985) paper, Vygotsky's theory and the
activity-oriented approach in psychology, may help you to relate LSV to
Leontyev's Activity Theory via the philosophical elaboration of activity as
an explanatory principle.
On 17 April 2014 16:12, Andy Blunden <email@example.com> wrote:
> Certainly! Ilyenkov (in my view) builds on Vygotsky. My reservations were
> about *criticising*, i.e., using Ilyenkov against Vygotsky.
> Reading Ilyenkov to support a reading of Vygotsky would be most fruitful.
> *Andy Blunden*
> Rauno Huttunen wrote:
>> I think that there could be some common elements between Vygotskian logic
>> of ZPD and Iljenkovian dialectical logic.
>> Rauno Huttunen
>> Lähettäjä: firstname.lastname@example.org [email@example.com.
>> edu] käyttäjän Andy Blunden [firstname.lastname@example.org] puolesta
>> Lähetetty: 17. huhtikuuta 2014 17:52
>> Vastaanottaja: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Aihe: [Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky
>> Though I can see how you caan relate the question of thought and matter
>> to the concept of perewzhivanie, I really think these are questions at a
>> different level of abstraction and you had better leave perezhivanie out
>> of it, to tackle the relevance of Spinoza to Vygotsky's psychology. I
>> think he idea of criticising Vygotsky from the point of view of Ilyenkov
>> is not likely to be fruitful. Criticising Vygotsky from the standpoint
>> of Spinoza even less so.
>> *Andy Blunden*
>> Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
>>> Dear xmca colleagues,
>>> I am still struggling to learn philosophy and the philosophical
>>> of CHAT.
>>> Righ now I am reading Ilyenkov "Dialetical
>>> and the "thinking body" concept presented on chapter 2, about Spinoza, is
>>> really interesting.
>>> So after listening to some claims of the relationship between Vygotsky
>>> Ilyenkov (that I discovered was also involved in the Zagorsk
>>> experiment), I
>>> searched the internet and found this paper
>>> some critics to Vygotsky and Leontiev from the perspective of Ilyenkov
>>> I don't know much philosophy yet, and I am also not so familiar with
>>> Leontiev's theory, so I wanted some opinion on these critics if possible.
>>> Also I was wondering if it is reasonable to approach Ilyenkov "thinking
>>> body" with Vygotsky "*perezhivanie*".
>>> Thank you