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[Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky

Certainly! Ilyenkov (in my view) builds on Vygotsky. My reservations were about *criticising*, i.e., using Ilyenkov against Vygotsky.
Reading Ilyenkov to support a reading of Vygotsky would be most fruitful.
*Andy Blunden*

Rauno Huttunen wrote:

I think that there could be some common elements between Vygotskian logic of ZPD and Iljenkovian dialectical logic.

Rauno Huttunen
Lähettäjä: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] käyttäjän Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net] puolesta
Lähetetty: 17. huhtikuuta 2014 17:52
Vastaanottaja: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Aihe: [Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky

Though I can see how you caan relate the question of thought and matter
to the concept of perewzhivanie, I really think these are questions at a
different level of abstraction and you had better leave perezhivanie out
of it, to tackle the relevance of Spinoza to Vygotsky's psychology. I
think he idea of criticising Vygotsky from the point of view of Ilyenkov
is not likely to be fruitful. Criticising Vygotsky from the standpoint
of Spinoza even less so.

*Andy Blunden*

Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
Dear xmca colleagues,

I am still struggling to learn philosophy and the philosophical foundations
of CHAT.

Righ now I am reading Ilyenkov "Dialetical
and the "thinking body" concept presented on chapter 2, about Spinoza, is
really interesting.

So after listening to some claims of the relationship between Vygotsky and
Ilyenkov (that I discovered was also involved in the Zagorsk experiment), I
searched the internet and found this paper
some critics to Vygotsky and Leontiev from the perspective of Ilyenkov (and

I don't know much philosophy yet, and I am also not so familiar with
Leontiev's theory, so I wanted some opinion on these critics if possible.

Also I was wondering if it is reasonable to approach Ilyenkov "thinking
body" with Vygotsky "*perezhivanie*".

Thank you