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[Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky


I think that there could be some common elements between Vygotskian logic of ZPD and Iljenkovian dialectical logic.

Rauno Huttunen
Lähettäjä: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] käyttäjän Andy Blunden [ablunden@mira.net] puolesta
Lähetetty: 17. huhtikuuta 2014 17:52
Vastaanottaja: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Aihe: [Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky

Though I can see how you caan relate the question of thought and matter
to the concept of perewzhivanie, I really think these are questions at a
different level of abstraction and you had better leave perezhivanie out
of it, to tackle the relevance of Spinoza to Vygotsky's psychology. I
think he idea of criticising Vygotsky from the point of view of Ilyenkov
is not likely to be fruitful. Criticising Vygotsky from the standpoint
of Spinoza even less so.

*Andy Blunden*

Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
> Dear xmca colleagues,
> I am still struggling to learn philosophy and the philosophical foundations
> of CHAT.
> Righ now I am reading Ilyenkov "Dialetical
> Logic<http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/index.htm>"
> and the "thinking body" concept presented on chapter 2, about Spinoza, is
> really interesting.
> So after listening to some claims of the relationship between Vygotsky and
> Ilyenkov (that I discovered was also involved in the Zagorsk experiment), I
> searched the internet and found this paper
> <http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s8750af8c69baf2a5/download/m2aa8edc95dfadc5e/1297190036/Ilyenkov+and+Revolution+in+Psychology.pdf?px-hash=27b6c2e8e5025382eccf85932e37ac586abaa5df&px-time=1397713488>with
> some critics to Vygotsky and Leontiev from the perspective of Ilyenkov (and
> Spinoza?).
> I don't know much philosophy yet, and I am also not so familiar with
> Leontiev's theory, so I wanted some opinion on these critics if possible.
> Also I was wondering if it is reasonable to approach Ilyenkov "thinking
> body" with Vygotsky "*perezhivanie*".
> Thank you