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[Xmca-l] Re: Ilyenkov and Vygotsky



Thanks Andy,

I will continue my readings of Ilyenkov and them go back to Vygotsky and
see what happens. It is a shame that Vygotsky did not finished his work on
emotions...

Wagner


On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Though I can see how you caan relate the question of thought and matter to
> the concept of perewzhivanie, I really think these are questions at a
> different level of abstraction and you had better leave perezhivanie out of
> it, to tackle the relevance of Spinoza to Vygotsky's psychology. I think he
> idea of criticising Vygotsky from the point of view of Ilyenkov is not
> likely to be fruitful. Criticising Vygotsky from the standpoint of Spinoza
> even less so.
>
>
> Andy
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Andy Blunden*
> http://home.mira.net/~andy/
>
>
> Wagner Luiz Schmit wrote:
>
>> Dear xmca colleagues,
>>
>> I am still struggling to learn philosophy and the philosophical
>> foundations
>> of CHAT.
>>
>> Righ now I am reading Ilyenkov "Dialetical
>> Logic<http://www.marxists.org/archive/ilyenkov/works/essays/index.htm>"
>>
>> and the "thinking body" concept presented on chapter 2, about Spinoza, is
>> really interesting.
>>
>> So after listening to some claims of the relationship between Vygotsky and
>> Ilyenkov (that I discovered was also involved in the Zagorsk experiment),
>> I
>> searched the internet and found this paper
>> <http://u.jimdo.com/www31/o/s8750af8c69baf2a5/download/
>> m2aa8edc95dfadc5e/1297190036/Ilyenkov+and+Revolution+in+
>> Psychology.pdf?px-hash=27b6c2e8e5025382eccf85932e37ac
>> 586abaa5df&px-time=1397713488>with
>>
>> some critics to Vygotsky and Leontiev from the perspective of Ilyenkov
>> (and
>> Spinoza?).
>>
>> I don't know much philosophy yet, and I am also not so familiar with
>> Leontiev's theory, so I wanted some opinion on these critics if possible.
>>
>> Also I was wondering if it is reasonable to approach Ilyenkov "thinking
>> body" with Vygotsky "*perezhivanie*".
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>