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[Xmca-l] Re: Heidegger's Notebooks Renew Focus on Anti-Semitism - NYTimes.com



Interesting, then, that many Jews had a great interest in overthrowing the fiercely anti-semitic Romanovs, only to find Stalin using them as scapegoats of convenience after the revolution(s). 

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What a tortured and tangled history with both Kant and Hegel in it.
In my personal experience, anti-semitism in Russia was more intense than any I had previously encountered in the U.S. Does the influence of German philosophy and psychology on Russian thought which has often been discussed on xlchc/xmca link up with anti-semitism in the two countries in the same way?

For those who were mystified by my reference to *Jew Suss* the wikipedia entry provides relevant background. The story begins with a novel by an anti-fascist writer which is then inverted in a fascist film. I liked the novel at the time I read it many decades ago.

mike


On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:52 AM, rjsp2 <r.j.s.parsons@open.ac.uk> wrote:

> Joris's translation is available at 
> http://www.pierrejoris.com/blog/?p=317
>
> and there is more at the Wikipedia page on Celan:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Celan  which I just edited to 
> provide the right link to Joris's blog. (This is work avoidance, you 
> will realise.)
>
> Rob
>
>
> On 31/03/2014 16:34, David Preiss wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>> I yet don't know whether addressing the issue from the point of view 
>> of Heidegger's writings is relevant. I am aware that for many people 
>> in the philosophy departments what is attractive as a scholarly 
>> activity is to elucidate whether his philosophy has substantive 
>> connections with a Nazi worldview. I can understand why is 
>> interesting to them. And, yet, I doubt that the masses adhering to 
>> nazism got it from reading Heidegger or other philosophers as the 
>> nazism of the german populace was quite basic and quite naturalized.
>>
>> What I think is the real problem is how to judge the actions of 
>> intellectuals during times where the worst side of humanity takes 
>> center stage. Thus, I think that Heidegger has to be judged according 
>> to what he did, what he publicly said as regards the Holocaust 
>> (before, during and after). And we don't need to read the black 
>> notebooks to learn that his moral stature is not compatible with the 
>> sensitivity he shows in some of his writings.
>>
>> Alas, poor Celan, whom expected something different from him until 
>> the
>> end:
>> http://wings.buffalo.edu/epc/authors/joris/todtnauberg.html
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2014, at 2:18 AM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Among the many things to read, that was an interesting summary of 
>> the
>>> black
>>> notebooks, David.
>>>
>>> Am i correct in interpreting the link between heidegger and 
>>> anti-semitism t, according to this account, to run through the sin 
>>> of rationalism and its epitome in mathematics as "calculation" 
>>> presumably linking rationalism and money lending, and hence the 
>>> historical steretotype as in *Jew Suss*?
>>> Or is that too simple?
>>>
>>> Is the anti-semitism endemic to the philosophy or contingent 
>>> invasion of a historical German cultural narrative?
>>>
>>> (signed)
>>> The blind man with a stick
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 7:47 PM, David Kellogg 
>>> <dkellogg60@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Martin:
>>>>
>>>> I've only seen short extracts from the "Black Notebooks", but what 
>>>> I've seen suggests that the real problem is not time but precisely 
>>>> the problem of "worlding" which was mentioned earlier.
>>>>
>>>> Jews, according to the "Black Notebooks", are an "unworlded" 
>>>> people, and because of that they are necessarily parasitic upon 
>>>> peoples who are deeply and profoundly in the world, i.e. his truly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/books/heideggers-
>>>> notebooks-renew-focus-on-anti-semitism.html?_r=0
>>>>
>>>> It's a big world, and there are lots of other things to read. They 
>>>> are only short extracts, but they are more than enough.
>>>>
>>>> David Kellogg
>>>> Hankuk University of Foreign Studies
>>>>
>>>> On 31 March 2014 10:02, Martin John Packer 
>>>> <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, this always the problem with Heidegger: his appalling 
>>>>> politics,
>>>>>
>>>> both professional and personal.  However, the conceptual problem he 
>>>> was working on was also important to philosophers with very 
>>>> different politics.
>>>> For example, Lucien Goldmann found parallels between Heidegger and 
>>>> Lukacs (ref below). I find it helpful to (try to) understand what 
>>>> Heidegger was trying to do, and also understand how a philosopher 
>>>> of human existence was unable to prevent himself from becoming a 
>>>> very unpleasant human being.
>>>> (The
>>>> problem lies in his treatment of time, in my view.)
>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> Goldmann, L. (1979). Lukacs and Heidegger: Towards a new philosophy.
>>>>>
>>>> Routledge and Kegan Paul.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 7:10 PM, David Preiss <daviddpreiss@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As an aside to the ongoing references to Heidegger... May be of
>>>>>>
>>>>> interest or not.
>>>>
>>>>> DP
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/31/books/heideggers-notebooks-
>>>> renew-focus-on-anti-semitism.html?referrer=
>>>>
>>>>> Descarga la aplicación oficial de Twitter aquí
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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