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[Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on YouTube



Dear info at arto.me  and all of xmca

The use of invective language on xmca is unacceptable. Agree or disagree
about Venezuelan, Ukrainian, Stalinist, etc truths/certainties and other
virtues,
*XMCA is not the place for name calling. *

mike at ucsd dot edu










On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, info@arto.me <info@arto.me> wrote:

> "Independent human rights organizations"?  Right, you must enjoy
> drinking Leopoldo Lopez's Kool Aid.
>
> I share this illuminating article by Max Blumenthal on Lopez, the great
> democratic hope of Venezuelan capitalists:
> http://maxblumenthal.com/2014/02/who-is-leopoldo-lopez/
>
> On 02/24/2014 05:14 PM, David Preiss wrote:
> > I will leave you the last word here as regards the political analysis
> > but will keep trusting the word of independent human rights
> > organizarions, specially those with observers on the ground. (And,
> > certainly, Stalin is not my guy.)
> >
> > Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >
> > El 24-02-2014, a las 18:46, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> > escribió:
> >
> >> Dijo Guevara el hermoso, viendo al África llorar: en el imperio
> >> mañoso nunca se debe confiar
> >>
> >> Silvio Rodriguez
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >> I remember Stalin quoted to say, opening a world map in front of
> >> him on the table, after the 2nd WW, indicating to US and other
> >> imperialist powers and pointing to the red part of the world map
> >> where socialist constructions were under way:
> >>
> >> "They will never admit this, never".
> >>
> >> And he was right.
> >>
> >> Imperialism can never be trusted, never.
> >>
> >> Is it not  US and other imperialism which caused tens of millions
> >> of dead? Is it like a joke that many people mention crimes in the
> >> Soviet Union etc, when they think to crimes against humanity and
> >> tend to forget about these two imperialist world wars, besides many
> >> others, Viet Nam.
> >>
> >> It is a complete a brain washing mechanism to close the way to
> >> humanity for a historical emancipation from imperialism and
> >> capitalism. By this, they say, "socialism is as bad as capitalism,
> >> so there is no successful exit from capitalism and imperialism.
> >> You are condemned to capitalism".
> >>
> >> Ulvi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2014-02-24 23:26 GMT+02:00 Peter Farruggio <pfarruggio@utpa.edu>:
> >>
> >>> Don't underestimate the determination and cravenness of US
> >>> imperialism. Similar to Ukraine,this is a classic right wing coup
> >>> in the making
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/venezuela-cia-and-u-s-defense-intelligence-agency-calling-for-armed-clashes-bloodshed-to-justify-military-intervention/5357989
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> ________________________________________
> >>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] on behalf of Langer-Osuna,
> >>> Jennifer Marie [jlangerosuna@miami.edu] Sent: Monday, February
> >>> 24, 2014 9:19 AM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject:
> >>> [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt
> >>> By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected   Government?"
> >>> on YouTube
> >>>
> >>> Here's a blog that has some videos from Venezuela:
> >>>
> >>> http://caracaschronicles.com/2014/02/19/19f/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jennifer M. Langer-Osuna, PhD Assistant Professor, Department of
> >>> Teaching and Learning University of Miami School of Education and
> >>> Human Development 222-H Merrick Building Coral Gables, FL
> >>> 33124-2040 Off: (305) 284-3206 Fax: (305) 284-6998
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>> [mailto: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu] On Behalf Of David
> >>> Preiss Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 10:08 AM To: eXtended
> >>> Mind, Culture, Activity Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt
> >>> By U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
> >>> YouTube
> >>>
> >>> There are THOUSANDS of pictures in Twitter and facebook. Search
> >>> "Tachira" in Twitter search, for instance. You can find there
> >>> images of army planes flying over protestors, paramilitary
> >>> shooting at people, protest violence and barricades, police
> >>> shooting at residential compounds and so on. And of course
> >>> political satire and people fighting each other verbally. Or
> >>> just search for Venezuela there. Indeed as most of the media are
> >>> censored there a large part of the info is coming out from
> >>> Twitter. That's why they shut down internet in San Cristobal.
> >>> Once there you will find the most popular hashtags used for both
> >>> sides.
> >>>
> >>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >>>
> >>> El 24-02-2014, a las 11:52, "Glassman, Michael"
> >>> <glassman.13@osu.edu> escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> One of the interesting things to consider, at least to me, is
> >>>> the role
> >>> of the Internet and sharing of information.  There have been
> >>> competing articles on Venezuela and also for that matter the
> >>> Ukraine.  The different streams of information in themselves are
> >>> fascinating and really speak to growing needs to be able to
> >>> organize and differentiate information across topics.  But what
> >>> seems missing from the Venezuela story are the pictures - the
> >>> Twitter or Youtube public documentation of large, spontaneous
> >>> protests (there are these types of pictures from the Ukraine
> >>> which is one of the reasons perhaps people have taken it more
> >>> seriously - although I am having a harder time finding good
> >>> information on the meaning behind what is happening).  I wonder
> >>> if a new initial hurdle for taking these types of movement
> >>> towards change seriously are these types of easily available
> >>> visual images that are not easy to manipulate.
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael ________________________________________ From:
> >>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
> >>> on behalf of David Preiss [daviddpreiss@gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:50 AM To: eXtended Mind,
> >>>> Culture, Activity Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject:
> >>>> [Xmca-l] Re: Watch "Venezuelan Protests: Another Attempt By
> >>> U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
> >>> YouTube
> >>>>
> >>>> Allende 1973 is not Maduro 2014. They are very different
> >>>> leaders and
> >>> their commitment to democracy is substantially different.
> >>> Certainly there are extreme right members in the Venezuelan
> >>> opposition as well. But it is Maduro the one taking the military
> >>> into the streets of Tachira, censuring the media, cutting
> >>> internet access to a full city among many other measures that
> >>> qualify as not properly democratic.  And I haven't mentioned the
> >>> actions of the government paramilitary yet. There is many people
> >>> in South America that are not "imperialist" but former opposition
> >>> to Pinochet and other dictatorships denouncing Venezuela's
> >>> government. I am not going to elaborate further because it is off
> >>> topic for most members of this list. Please  go directly to the
> >>> websites of Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch and see
> >>> what they are reporting Thanks. David
> >>>>
> >>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> El 24-02-2014, a las 8:43, Peter Farruggio
> >>>> <pfarruggio@utpa.edu>
> >>> escribió:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The current situation in Venezuela looks like the typical
> >>>>> imperialist
> >>> "destabilization" tactic against an elected government that is
> >>> not a puppet of Wall Street. Very similar things were done to
> >>> Allende's government in Chile and to Mossadegh's nationalist
> >>> government in Iran in 1953, where operatives in the US embassy
> >>> paid armed street gangs to rampage and incite violence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's unfortunate that the corporate media has such a monopoly
> >>>>> on
> >>> information, especially in the US, so that all we seem to get is
> >>> anti-government bias in the "reportage" from Venezuela.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here are some alternatives
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://wearechange.org/us-supporting-oligarch-coup-attempt-venezuela/
> >>>
> >>>>>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/18/venezuela-protests-us-support-regime-change-mistake
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://rt.com/news/golinger-documents-venezuela-destabilization-299/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/6418
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________________ From:
> >>>>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >>>>> [xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu]
> >>> on behalf of Dr. Paul C. Mocombe [pmocombe@mocombeian.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 11:47 AM To: eXtended Mind,
> >>>>> Culture, Activity Subject: [Xmca-l] Watch "Venezuelan
> >>>>> Protests: Another Attempt By
> >>> U.S.-Backed Right-Wing Groups To Oust Elected Government?" on
> >>> YouTube
> >>>>>
> >>>>> David,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have some issues with your interpretation of what is going
> >>>>> on
> >>> venezuela...
> >>>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVOqhUl6Dp8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> Dr. Paul C. Mocombe
> >>>>> President The Mocombeian Foundation, Inc. www.mocombeian.com
> >>>>> www.readingroomcurriculum.com www.paulcmocombe.info
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
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